Why does socialized medicine suck again?

[Gorlak]

Probably has something to do with the fucking 9 month wait time for a hernia operation. Its fucking out-patient surgery. Just ask my step dad about that shit.

You have the choice between public or private clinics. You could avoid waiting by paying for it. Be happy you've got the choice.

[Knight Gil]

Because it's a sign of the end of the times and it means that the reds are finally getting their hold on america. Quick, get your guns and stay true to the good ol' american way.

Sad part is, I'm not exaggerating. Even here, in Europe, some people think socialized anything is a sign that the communists are taking over and turning it into a dictatorship. lulz

Someone had to pay for it.. Free stuff is only awesome for the one getting it. Isn't it obvious that those who had to paid for it complain and don't want it..

Everyone having to pay taxes so that society as a whole can live better, by avoiding that an individual has to spend thousands of dollars into healthcare in case of need, seems like a very good investment to me.

[Roose]

I would love socialized health care. Love it.

What we are getting crammed down our throats in America is not socialized health care. We are being forced to buy insurance. There is a huge difference.

Our corporate and banking overlords hate socialism because it takes power and money away from them. Plain and simple.

[mvaliz]

Threads can be transferred forums with no outward indication to low level users that such a thing happened. This thread could have originated in the WoW Gen forums and you would have no idea if not for the posts saying "wrong forum," etc. A little less snippiness on such a pointless topic might be the best course.

It would've been tagged with a "moved" topic name then.

[Kujako]

And once the greater American GOP populace realizes that their GOP politicians who are telling them they should be against socialized medicine/healthcare are on socialized medicine/healthcare themselves... they might just wonder... Not to mention the politicians' healthcare is all paid for from citizens' tax dollars. WHICH I would have no problem with, if we had the same kind of healthcare as well. Hypocrites, all of them.

You give the populace credit for greater cognitive reasoning then I do.

[Dakia]

I would love socialized health care. Love it.

What we are getting crammed down our throats in America is not socialized health care. We are being forced to buy insurance. There is a huge difference.

Our corporate and banking overlords hate socialism because it takes power and money away from them. Plain and simple.

Yay, someone who gets it!

We aren't getting socialized medicine. We aren't getting free healthcare.

[Spectral]

I would love socialized health care. Love it.

What we are getting crammed down our throats in America is not socialized health care. We are being forced to buy insurance. There is a huge difference.

Our corporate and banking overlords hate socialism because it takes power and money away from them. Plain and simple.

Indeed, we're getting the worst of all possible worlds. We get all of the bad parts of the free market with few or none of the benefits. A system that didn't compel insurance of a certain type has downsides, but it would be effective from a cost standpoint (my insurance is dirt cheap, presently). Competition can do some really nice things, but requiring everyone to carry insurance makes sure we can't have nice things. All the bad parts of lacking socialized medicine? We get to keep those!

[Dakia]

It would've been tagged with a "moved" topic name then.

IIRC, only from the origination forum.

Which is where it is. Moved threads are hidden to those without moderation rights in the origination forum. They are not tagged as such in the destination forum.

[Kujako]

Bahahahahaha, I suppose the person doesn't realize that their Medicare IS socialized medicine.

More or less my point. And that was not an isolated occurrence, it was kind of the rallying cry for at least part of the "tea party" during the healthcare debates.

[Garnier Fructis]

From the way she's looking at the camera with her eyes, I'm tempted to say she's trolling.

[Dakia]

More or less my point. And that was not an isolated occurrence, it was kind of the rallying cry for at least part of the "tea party" during the healthcare debates.

There was more than enough misinformation about Medi(s)care going around during the debates. Both sides spent more than a good deal of money saying the other side was going to "end Medicare as we know it!" Oooooooooh.

[Annapolis]

There are potential benefits and detriments to socialized healthcare. If you ignore either then that limits your ability to discuss the issue.

Socialized medicine would make sure everyone would have some quality of healthcare at some point. However if you want a quick surgery by your choice of physician then the best system is non socialized. Our current system costs a lot of money, way too much, but our level of care is fairly good compared to other countries.

[Spectral]

More or less my point. And that was not an isolated occurrence, it was kind of the rallying cry for at least part of the "tea party" during the healthcare debates.

This is something we find pretty commonly among various elements of the "Stop Big Gubmint!" and "Welfare is Bad!" crowd; welfare that they receive is something they've earned, as where the welfare other people get is because Those People are lazy.

[mvaliz]

There are potential benefits and detriments to socialized healthcare. If you ignore either then that limits your ability to discuss the issue.

Socialized medicine would make sure everyone would have some quality of healthcare at some point. However if you want a quick surgery by your choice of physician then the best system is non socialized. Our current system costs a lot of money, way too much, but our level of care is fairly good compared to other countries.

If I need surgery to keep me alive... I'm not going to give a damn who does it, so long as he's trained well and knows what they're doing. Also, private surgeons have waiting lists too, you know. It's not like I can call my doctor up tonight and get some surgery done in a few hours.

[Kujako]

This is something we find pretty commonly among various elements of the "Stop Big Gubmint!" and "Welfare is Bad!" crowd; welfare that they receive is something they've earned, as where the welfare other people get is because Those People are lazy.

Case in point, Craig T Nelson declaring on national televisions "I've been on foodstamps and welfare, did anyone help me out? No."

[Last Starfighter]

This is relevent to my interests in WoW and is totally not a troll!

That's why this is an "Off Topic" forum....

Is it a troll when someone makes a thread saying " 'Bama wants to take our guns! 2nd Amendment!"?

[Spectral]

If I need surgery to keep me alive... I'm not going to give a damn who does it, so long as he's trained well and knows what they're doing. Also, private surgeons have waiting lists too, you know. It's not like I can call my doctor up tonight and get some surgery done in a few hours.

In a completely privatized, unregulated system, a truly high bidder would be able to gain very quick access to care.

I'm not saying this is optimal, just saying that it's the nature of markets. That doesn't exist in any modernized country and I don't think anyone seriously advocates for it.

[Noomz]

You guys have a combined system that covers basic healthcare but provides better options if you can afford it, yeah? That's always seemed like the best of all worlds to me.

Yepp. Everyone gets healthcare, absolutely everyone. Even immigrants that have yet to get citizenship get treatment if it's essential for their well-being or life-threatening.

But as mentioned, for us the biggest problem is that the hospitals are understaffed and bit underfunded. You may have to wait weeks or months for non-essential healthcare or just to see a doctor. But when I went through cancer, I was taken care of in the span of a week, tests, surgery etc.
Though when my appendix got inflamed, or whatever it's called, we had to fight to get an ambulance to take me. And when I arrived at the hospital I waited atleast well over an hour for them to care to me. But that's because they lack staff. It's not an attractive job to be a nurse at a hospital, it doesn't pay as good as it should.

In private healthcare you get a higher pay, to my knowledge, so that's more attractive.

[Deleted]

A few quick points here.
Cuba with it's poverty and the most effective and long lasting economic blockade in history has better neo-natal stats than washington DC delivered for a tiny fraction of the cost. clearly socalised healthcare fails.......
Secondly if "socialised healthcare" or "socialised education" is wrong in some way then why even have government?
For "socialised prisons" and "socialised warfare"?
Why is it ok for the general population to pay for the goals of the rich but not ok to pay for stuff that everyone needs?
All government programs are "socialised".
the only question is....
Which are the ones that actually benefit society as a whole?

You can be damn sure the rest only benefit the rich.

You can also be sure that the programs that benefit the rich will never be described as "socialised" or "liberal" in the media.
why?
because the media is owned and/or run by the rich.

[Spectral]

Case in point, Craig T Nelson declaring on national televisions "I've been on foodstamps and welfare, did anyone help me out? No."

That's one of the most amazing clips I've ever seen. How in the world does someone hold that in their head? Yet another mark for not ever underestimating people's capacity for cognitive dissonance.