Yep, you're right - about MoP Garrosh.
Before this point Garrosh didn't have any complicated personality either, but still a bit of it. He was a son of a warhero, but he considered him (and had rights to) a villian due to his actions, resoulting in shy and nearly cowardly personality in Nagrand. He turned out to be a fierce and ruthless, but very successfull military leader in Wrath, impressing even Thrall. In Cata he showed he has totally different ideas then Thrall, but all he does is for his people - and he has great sense of honor, even if his tactics are brutal time to time. And then MoP and "poof" - you can't say anything about him other than KILL KILL KILL ORC SMASH. This is also the time he switched his simple, but efficient logic with being brain dead.
If there is anybody to blame, it's Metzen and pals here. They created a character and then, without a real reason, turned him into a bad guy - and not a "bad guy" where it should be discussed, just a guy Frodo Baggins, Spider-Man and Pierce Brosnan have to stop, or some shit is going to happen. It works, but not after you were establishing for 3 expansions that this guy is a bi-polar character at least.
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No. Besides, he was already born before demons came to Draenor.
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Aye, he's a mess really, and it's clear that at some point they dropped the ball when it came to his development, but then again, that seemed to have happened along with Cataclysm - which basically can be summarized by "dropping the ball".
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Gone? When did they stop being Evil?
If the Horde was Orc's Trolls and Tauren at the start the argument could have been made that the Horde were just the brutal races, but they included the Undead, aka the Forsaken. The Forsaken have always been an Evil Faction, they have caused more evil than any other Player faction in the game.
Now when Thrall was Warchief he did his best to change the Forsaken, but Garrosh he could care less about anything but Orcs. Hellscream is out of control, but do not think that the Horde have ever been good guys. Had Blizzard done what they first planned to do than yes they would have been, early plans for WOW had Night Elves in the Horde, and Forsaken in the Alliance. The reason they didn't do this was they needed a better reason for War, so they put the Orcs against the Nightelves and the Undead against the Humans. I do sometimes wonder what WOW would have been like had they kept the original idea, Just imagine Druids and Shaman would have both been Horde only Classes, while Paladins, and Warlocks would have been the Alliance special Classes. Also it would have caused the Alliance to become the Villains in the story.
Having Druids be Horde only, and Warlocks be Alliance only was never part of some original idea. Tauren for example, was never even considered a proper druidic race until WoW, and warlocks were never really considered to have anything to do with the Alliance until WoW either.
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Yeah that explains why they went for the Draenei first.....
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True, but the Forsaken were the Warlock Race, and Night Elves where the Druid Race. The original plan was each race had a class. I still Wonder what that list looked like. Also the original plan had the Goblins also in the Alliance, and not the Gnomes.
So the original races were
Alliance:
Human - Paladin
Dwarf - ?
Forsaken -Warlock
Goblin -?Tinker?
Horde:
Orc - Shamen
Troll - ?Witchdoctor?
Tauren - ?Chieftain
Night Elf - Druid
Each race had invasion points on the world map, Stranglethorn Vale was the Horde invasion point, and Theramore was the Alliance invasion point.
The Forsaken was not a warlock race. Before WoW we hardly knew anything about the Forsaken. If anything, the orcs were the only race ever to have been assosiated with warlocks at that point. And goblins for the Alliance? What is this utterly nonsense, and what is this "original plan"? Also, the Forsaken were never supposed to have been an Alliance race, and neither were the Night Elves supposed to be a Horde race. And Theramore was never an invasion point either, Jaina and her followers constructed that port before they even knew that the Horde was going to settle down in Kalimdor.
Amazing sig, done by mighty Lokann
I think Humans and Orcs need to just be isolated from the rest of the world and fight each other to death with sticks and stones ala Lord of the Flies. Watch as Azeroth as a whole prospers with the two gone.
The entirety of the horde isn't evil. The trolls, Tauren, Hordie Pandaren, Blood elves, and a chunk of the orcs are all pretty cool guys.
It's the forsaken and horde forces under Garrosh that are the evil ones.
Of course, seeing as the horde forces under garrosh and the forsaken represent the actual military fronts of the horde... well, you get the picture.
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