The U.S, Then France, Now Russia. Gay rights issues

[Underverse]

And how do you know what's ideal society? You want a change, no matter what. What if it's wrong?
Almost all slavic countries are based around family values. Stop breaking things that were here for thousands of years.

I would consider an ideal society something that falls between our evolutionary bounds. Since all organisms do best within a certain range of conditions, it's fair to assume the same with humans.

Thousands of years is a heartbeat in the larger timescale. And just because it's been around for thousands of years, doesn't make it right.

If a change is wrong, we will know, and we will fix it. But to just sit back and say everything's ok when we have all the problems in the world just isn't...well, ok.

[KayossZero]

Good to see that there are still some reasonable people in the world who are not influenced by this stupid propaganda of accepting everything in the name of tolerance etc. Greetings to Russia.

Ignorant bigots are ignorant.

[Endus]

Simply the marriage is the official aknowledgement of a couple and nature wants the couples done by a male and a female.

Yes to the first, an adamant "no" to the second; homosexual behaviour is relatively widespread among animals. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosex...ior_in_animals

Not only is it natural, there's a host of reasons why it's an evolutionary advantage in a social animal, and humanity is definitely a social animal.

You're just flat-out factually wrong, here.


If you had a religious basis for your belief, there wouldn't be a lot I could do to contradict that; faith is faith. But here, you're putting your argument on what is natural, and homosexual relationships are eminently natural. That's plain, incontrovertible fact. There is no way you've read the academic literature on the subject, you're just making wild and inaccurate claims based on no evidence or justifiable logic whatsoever.

[Lilfrier]

I'll say this: I'll never support gay rights. I'll never support assaulting gays. I'll never believe that you are born gay. I'm a Christian, and I believe that homosexuality is something that is against nature (even from an atheistic perspective), and especially against God. I think that the idea of simply letting people do as they please leads to a moral cesspool of evil, because the boundaries will ALWAYS be pushed back further and further until they are completely gone and immorality runs rampant (Which it somewhat does already).

I'm not a crazy old guy, I'm 22 (I might be crazy, I guess). My belief is that like anything else a person does wrong (you know, other than committing murder or rape or something), the intent should be to educate people against what is a dirty lifestyle and help attempt to change those people. I fully admit that it is an unpopular opinion, especially among my age group, but I partially believe that to be because things like the Internet and its anonymity have lead to a pretty high level of apathy when it comes to morality.

I'd apologize if anyone is offended by those statements, but I'm honestly not sorry for my beliefs. I never see gay people and think "we'd be better off if they were dead," I just think "it's too bad they are making a bad choice," just as I am bothered by the fact that I am imperfect and repeatedly make mistakes. I try my best to keep a merciful mindset against things like Jesus did, rather than flat-out attempting to condemn people to hell as can be the norm from the right.

[semaphore]

Simply the marriage is the official aknowledgement of a couple and nature wants the couples done by a male and a female.

No it doesn't. Nature isn't alive. Nature can't think. Nature doesn't want anything.

Don't disguise your own discrimination as "nature wants". Nature doesn't.

[Lilfrier]

You know since david attenborough has gone as far to say human beings are overpopulated across the planet, and becoming a plague upon so many other species, if natures way of stemming out the species is for more people to be born gay, what right then do people have to criticize natures way of dealing with a problem it can't deal with itself.

I don't buy that people are born gay, I just don't. If people were born with a sexual orientation, I'd expect them to be born sexually mature. How does the idea of being "Born gay" explain all of the times people experiment with that stuff, or they become gay or straight after being the other?

[semaphore]

I'll never believe that you are born gay. I'm a Christian, and I believe that homosexuality is something that is against nature

I don't buy that people are born gay, I just don't.

The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it.

[Grizzly Willy]

I don't buy that people are born gay, I just don't. If people were born with a sexual orientation, I'd expect them to be born sexually mature. How does the idea of being "Born gay" explain all of the times people experiment with that stuff, or they become gay or straight after being the other?

Explain the process of change then.

[Underverse]

I'll say this: I'll never support gay rights. I'll never support assaulting gays. I'll never believe that you are born gay. I'm a Christian, and I believe that homosexuality is something that is against nature (even from an atheistic perspective), and especially against God. I think that the idea of simply letting people do as they please leads to a moral cesspool of evil, because the boundaries will ALWAYS be pushed back further and further until they are completely gone and immorality runs rampant (Which it somewhat does already).

Do you have any basis for these beliefs or are you taking it on faith that all of the above is true?

[semaphore]

Do you have any basis for these beliefs or are you taking it on faith that all of the above is true?

Naturally he has the basis of his infallible morality. Which he takes to be correct on faith, just because.

[Zhangfei]

I don't buy that people are born gay, I just don't. If people were born with a sexual orientation, I'd expect them to be born sexually mature. How does the idea of being "Born gay" explain all of the times people experiment with that stuff, or they become gay or straight after being the other?

I'm a Christian and I don't think your argument exists anywhere in the Bible in any meaningful sense, so don't blame the religion.

[Grizzly Willy]

Really interested in how homosexuality leads to evil.

[Deleted]

I'll say this: I'll never support gay rights. I'll never support assaulting gays. I'll never believe that you are born gay. I'm a Christian, and I believe that homosexuality is something that is against nature (even from an atheistic perspective), and especially against God. I think that the idea of simply letting people do as they please leads to a moral cesspool of evil, because the boundaries will ALWAYS be pushed back further and further until they are completely gone and immorality runs rampant (Which it somewhat does already).

I'm not a crazy old guy, I'm 22 (I might be crazy, I guess). My belief is that like anything else a person does wrong (you know, other than committing murder or rape or something), the intent should be to educate people against what is a dirty lifestyle and help attempt to change those people. I fully admit that it is an unpopular opinion, especially among my age group, but I partially believe that to be because things like the Internet and its anonymity have lead to a pretty high level of apathy when it comes to morality.

I'd apologize if anyone is offended by those statements, but I'm honestly not sorry for my beliefs. I never see gay people and think "we'd be better off if they were dead," I just think "it's too bad they are making a bad choice," just as I am bothered by the fact that I am imperfect and repeatedly make mistakes. I try my best to keep a merciful mindset against things like Jesus did, rather than flat-out attempting to condemn people to hell as can be the norm from the right.

And i will never support People like you i wish you would all vanish from this Planet because your way of thinking causes so much suffering and hate arround this Planet. You religious Freaks are one of the biggst plagues of Earth. And i dont apologize if you are offended by that because that is my Opinion about People who are to lazy to think for themselves

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[Xaephira]

What are you going to do about, besides complain on an internet forum? This is the problem with the gay rights movement, nothing but talk, cherrypicking the softer nations (where its already acceptable) and staying away from others. How about all the gay people go over there and protest like they do here in the states? They wont because they are nothing but hot air. This isnt limited to gay rights. Womens rights, child labor, animal cruelty etc, nothing but tough talk, no actions.

"leave us the fuck alone"

Take your own advice?

You disgusting piece of shit, not even worthy of being called a human

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[breadisfunny]

Anything in red is gay's will be executed
Orange red is prison
Orange is a penalty

Dark blue is same sex marriage
light blue is other partnership
teal marriage is recognized but not performed

Grey is gays are not recognized as people basically

what exactly is meant by other partnership?

[Grizzly Willy]

Probably civil unions.

[breadisfunny]

Probably civil unions.

what do civil unions entail exactly? im also surprised to hear france is curbing gay unions or whatever....aren't they supposed to be ahead of the social trends?

[Rommon64]

what exactly is meant by other partnership?

I think it's basically the 'You just can't have the word marriage!' thing.

[Deleted]

It's possibly been answered and if it has, I apologise, but..

Given that every major faith has their own interpretation of "Marriage" how can any of them claim ownership over the institution?

[Grizzly Willy]

what do civil unions entail exactly? im also surprised to hear france is curbing gay unions or whatever....aren't they supposed to be ahead of the social trends?

It depends on where you go. I will defer to the Wikipedia entry, since I'm not in any position to explain it in-depth.