Unholy Mastery vs. Crit for 2nd best secondary in 5.2

[Sliippy]

With the super cool changes to our gargoyle and the fact that we start our execute phase at 40% with 4 piece. Is mastery going to pull ahead of crit?

[Deleted]

With the super cool changes to our gargoyle and the fact that we start our execute phase at 40% with 4 piece. Is mastery going to pull ahead of crit?

Pretty sure its mastery. Especially with 45% Soulreaper and/or AoE scenarios in mind.

[Magdalena]

Pretty sure its mastery.

While we have yet to factor in the T-15 4 set bonus, the answer is most decidedly "no" with the other 5.2 changes in mind. Crit and Haste still retain a decent lead on the Mastery stat. Crit might even surpass Haste in terms of value after a certain breakpoint.
Given that the Tier 15 4-set evens out to be a roughly 2-2.5% overall gain, it is unlikely that it will swing Mastery's value so high as to surpass either one of the stats- at least, as of this posting.

This could all be subject to change with further modifications they make on the PTR, but as of now the answer is most assuredly Crit/Haste before Mastery.

[Deleted]

Lets do the math and estimate the gain for 5.2 based on modifying the results of current simulations.
Atm I get the following stat weights for Unholy:

Str: 3,83
Haste: 1,83
Crit 1,76
Mastery: 1,39

With the following percentage of dps being Shadowdmg:
- SS (9,4%)
- BP(7,8%)
- DC(14,1%)
- SR(8,8%)

Which translates to a total of 40,1%. Considering 2 more Deathcoils every 3minutes, the Gargoyle benefitting from mastery and Soulreaper percentage going up by 0,45/0,35, one can estimate the following Shadowdmg percentages:

-SS (9,4%)
-BP(7,8%)
-DC(14,6%)
-SR(11,3%)
-Garg(4,5%)

Which translates to a total of 47,6% being shadowdmg. This would give an estimated Mastery stat weight of 1,65.
So i guess you are right Magdalena, mastery doesnt pull ahead and only gets a bit closer. So for single Target it should be haste + crit for Aoe Crit + Mastery.

[Rothulean1]

If you have 6000 to 7800-8000 haste rating, haste and crit are equal. Once you hit 7800-8000 haste rating, crit overtakes haste. If youre using a trinket with a haste proc (Darkmist Vortex for example), crit > haste, generally speaking. This is for 5.2 with both t15 set bonuses.

Edit: A lot of the value of haste depends on how strong the 2pc t15 turns out to be. Simc currently says its worth 3.5% of Unholy's damage. If PTR testing shows that value is higher than 3.5% (unlikely), the value of haste will go up. If that value is lower, the value of haste will go down. The 2pc t15, by itself, is boosting the value of haste in 5.2 by ~15%.

[Laroux]

Pretty sure its mastery. Especially with 45% Soulreaper and/or AoE scenarios in mind.

Mastery is pretty meager in boosting aoe since it doesn't affect frost fever at all. For dnd you need mastery in the thousands to bump it up and it still scales pretty badly; blood boil pretty much the same.

[Deleted]

Mastery is pretty meager in boosting aoe since it doesn't affect frost fever at all. For dnd you need mastery in the thousands to bump it up and it still scales pretty badly; blood boil pretty much the same.

Yet for AoE its still better than crit (only half the benefit of mastery on abilites that deal shadowdmg) and surely better than haste (doesnt benefit diseases and dnd).

[Laroux]

Yet for AoE its still better than crit (only half the benefit of mastery on abilites that deal shadowdmg) and surely better than haste (doesnt benefit diseases and dnd).

So you will do what, dump all your points into mastery over crit and haste because? Do you reforge before every aoe raid fight and than reforge back afterward?

[Deleted]

Adjusting your reforges for a progression fight isnt that uncommon, is it? After you killed it once or twice it surely doesnt matter anymore, but having those few percents of extra dmg can surely help to get the first kill...