Georgia man shoots and kills guy who accidentally pulled into his driveway

[Deleted]

Oh, ok, I see what you mean. I thought you were agreeing with his paranoia that its a threat.


This whole thread is why.


I see you're still mad that anti-marriage equality homophobes are no longer the majority.

In fairness gays shouldn't allowed to marry, as it's a religious institution that is pretty clear what it does and doesn't allow. But that's a different topic all together.

[Bryntrollian]

If it makes you feel any better only minorities were harmed

[Sivick]

semaphore do the world a favor and pull into this guy's drive way and get ventilated.

I say we take away his gun first

[Sivick]

Why shouldn't he be allowed to? He is a veteran and he served his country, which means he has more of a right than anyone.

Yes, the fact that he just committed 2nd degree murder for absolutely no reason proves he should have been allowed to have a gun.

[namelessone]

There is no news story about how the majority of gun owners are responsible, because it's not lurid and interesting.

These events are the exception.

Yes, every accident is an exception, but that doesn't mean steps can't be taken to avoid such accidents.

[muto]

Makes you wonder if the UPS guy left his packages at the foot of the driveway.

[Dacien]

Version 1: "Rolled down his window to say sorry"

Version 2: "He perceived the car going towards his house, towards him."



Basically, once the lawyers/spin doctors are called in, we may never know what actually happened. It's as entirely likely that Sailors was a pissed old drunk dude who shot an innocent kid as it is that the kid rolled down his window to flip the bird which looked like pointing a weapon to the Vietnam vet.

Like licking a Tootsie Pop, the world may never know.

[Powerogue]

Sheesh, at least point your gun and threaten them first if you're that convinced the potential intruder might be armed.

[Milkyz]

If it wasn't accidentally and he was actually trying to rob/murder/something and the old man ended dead, thread would be like "Georgia man killed by guy who faked having accidentally pulled into his driveway" and we would be discussing at how naive was the old man as he simply believed the driver was just mistaken, how society sucks because of that, WoW is dying, etc.

[Sky High]

In that situation, the chances of the guy's purpose in rolling down his window being taking a shot at the homeowner as he drives away are more than enough to justify firing. I see no issue here. Do not go onto someone else’s property at night and do anything that might be in any way be construed as a threatening or potentially aggressive action otherwise shooting you is entirely justified.

its quotes like this that validate why people hate guns and more to the point gun owners. you are doing your side no justice with this statement. there is no indication at this time the kids where in any way aggressive and after saying: "sorry wrong house" and backing away slowly shows this. again its trigger happy dip-shits that you come off as being that make gun owners look like psychos.

[Crissi]

If it wasn't accidentally and he was actually trying to rob/murder/something and the old man ended dead, thread would be like "Georgia man killed by guy who faked having accidentally pulled into his driveway" and we would be discussing at how naive was the old man as he simply believed the driver was just mistaken, how society sucks because of that, WoW is dying, etc.

Ifs and buts and hypotheticals dont count. The guy pulled into the wrong driveway, realised it and started to back out. Pulling into a driveway is not a threatening act, especially if you end up backing out / turining around soon after. Rolling down your windows is not a threatening act to which the castle doctrine could apply. The Vet was just plain nutty and deserves time in jail.

[Sky High]

If it wasn't accidentally and he was actually trying to rob/murder/something and the old man ended dead, thread would be like "Georgia man killed by guy who faked having accidentally pulled into his driveway" and we would be discussing at how naive was the old man as he simply believed the driver was just mistaken, how society sucks because of that, WoW is dying, etc.

too bad this isn't what happened, oh how pointless hypotheticals can be.

[Pebrocks The Warlock]

In fairness gays shouldn't allowed to marry, as it's a religious institution that is pretty clear what it does and doesn't allow. But that's a different topic all together.

Lol religious institution? That's a good fucking lie.

[shimerra]

In that situation, the chances of the guy's purpose in rolling down his window being taking a shot at the homeowner as he drives away are more than enough to justify firing. I see no issue here. Do not go onto someone else’s property at night and do anything that might be in any way be construed as a threatening or potentially aggressive action otherwise shooting you is entirely justified.

A kindergarten level of understanding of statistics would indicate that no rolling down the window is not enough to justify firing. If you see no issue you are precisely the type of person who should not be allowed anywhere near anything sharper than a butter knife or more explosive than a damp match.

Rolling down your window while backing out in and of itself it not a threatening act outside of paranoid idiot land.\

If it wasn't accidentally and he was actually trying to rob/murder/something and the old man ended dead, thread would be like "Georgia man killed by guy who faked having accidentally pulled into his driveway" and we would be discussing at how naive was the old man as he simply believed the driver was just mistaken, how society sucks because of that, WoW is dying, etc.

Except he wasn't, and statistics and common sense both indicate that the outlandishly more likely explanation for that person being in his driveway and then almost immediately reversing direction would not be that he was there to murder/rob you but that he pulled into the wrong house. We're talking on the level that this guy was more likely to get hit by lightning than that car was there to do harm to him kind of odds.

[bluechiefs]

Problem is, this isn't the entire story. Definitely was madness to fire again at the car, and killing the kid. But, when you see someone run back into their vehicle and then roll down their window right at you, you have no idea if this person was caught in the act and is about to shoot you either. He could, and should have gone back inside and locked his doors if anything. But the morons here raging about how some crazy southerner went out blazing his gun at some innocent kid need to take off the blinders. I suppose most of the people thinking like that, really have no idea what it's like living where people do stupid crazy things like that, and it could have easily been the old "crazy murdering gun toting bastard" who was shot. In which case it would be a thread about how crazy gun owners are and how kids are insane, and have no respect and yadda yadda yadda. If somebody shoots a gun at or near you, don't attempt to talk to them as you are leaving. I suppose they should sue the GPS system for sending them to the wrong house when looking for their girlfriends sisters friend as well... since if it weren't for those incorrect directions none of this would have happened! DAMN YOU GARMIN!

I don't support what happened, and I can't see him having a case. But stop looking at situations from purely one side because of how a story makes it sound, and get the actual information.

How many different stories developed from the recent shooting in Connecticut before the "true story" came out? First the roommate was killed, as well as the kids and his mother was a teacher in the school, and he'd bought the guns under his brothers identity earlier that week, then little by little different details emerged until more of the truth came out. People are painted a picture of some deranged old man shooting anybody who's on "his poperty." when he had his reasons to be on "high alert."

It is horrible that this all had to happen, and I truly feel sorry for the victims family and friends. Sailor was wrong to react in the manner he did, but don't think for a second that this article has the entire story.

[anveena]

Well if this incident happened exactly as the article says, then that is pretty messed up.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Exceptions,outliers or not. This is just another guy who does not deserve to have a gun. Parking into a driveway on accident. It's..sad.

[nyc81991]

Perfect example of an idiot with a gun.

[helheim]

so you have a bunch of "people" in this thread calling other people idiots and paranoid and otherwise, and the one guy who tells the other guy in a less than nice way to stfu ends up banned....

why is this thread not closed yet?

oh, right. mods on mmo-c are fucking amazing /sarcasm

Received infraction.

~Badpaladin

[Milkyz]

Ifs and buts and hypotheticals dont count. The guy pulled into the wrong driveway, realised it and started to back out. Pulling into a driveway is not a threatening act, especially if you end up backing out / turining around soon after. Rolling down your windows is not a threatening act to which the castle doctrine could apply. The Vet was just plain nutty and deserves time in jail.

Oh, I don't disagree with you in this point. The way things occurred, he should go to jail indeed. Just pointing out how it is easy to judge something based on what has occurred and not on what could occurr at each possible relevant point of choice. Sure, old guy killed in a "nonsensical way", old guy must go to jail. But people would also be quickly to point him out as naive if driver was actually plotting something against and ended up killing him.