Why leaders of Kirin Tor are always human?

[Haven]

Because humans are the supreme race, duh. Better at arcane than blood elves or dragons, better at being a savage gladiator than a race of born savage gladiators, being favored and blessed by other race's deities without even caring to learn about their existence, teaching millenia-old people patience...

[Skytotem]

Because humans are the supreme race, duh. Better at arcane than blood elves or dragons, better at being a savage gladiator than a race of born savage gladiators, being favored and blessed by other race's deities without even caring to learn about their existence, teaching millenia-old people patience...

This.

I have no problem with humans being in fantasy or being important, but for gods sake it ought to make sense.

[Rainbow Thunder]

yeah i definitely agree with the OP also btw how come thunderbluff is always run by tauren that doesn't seem fair but of course they're running thunderbluff because the tauren are apparently the best at governing their people /eyeroll and they're always the best at being paladins....

[Justignoreme]

Flat out bullshit.

Humans are the hero. The ones that rise to the occasion no matter what that have empathy and kindness in their culture which leaves other races scratching their heads. Etc...

Exactly. They departed from the "typical" role for orcs but humans are the same white knights as always and blizz half-assed attempts with other races don't make anything very interesting or compelling. It's too hard for other races to take the lead from humans and orcs and orcs will always take the lead from humans

[RicardoZ]

Why's the leader of the Horde always been an Orc? Anybody think that at the end of this go-round it might be somebody of a different race or will Thrall come back?

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Exactly. They departed from the "typical" role for orcs but humans are the same white knights as always and blizz half-assed attempts with other races don't make anything very interesting or compelling. It's too hard for other races to take the lead from humans and orcs and orcs will always take the lead from humans

At least as long as Chris Metzen is running the show, you're 1000% right. That man loves him some orcs..

[Soul Craver]

Seems like almost every one in this thread compared Kirin Tor to Stormwind and Thunder Bluff.

So I am dumb for asking this question huh?

Kirin Tor is a mage organization. It is a class not a race

Cenarion Circle is a Druid organnization

Earthen Ring is a Shaman organization.

The members of the kirin Tor could be high elf, could be dragon
They can join Kirin Tor if they are a mage

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Have you ever noticed how the leaders of Stormwind are always human? why?

Stormwind is a race kingdom not class kingdom.

[Skytotem]

Seems like almost every one in this thread compared Kirin Tor to Stormwind and Thunder Bluff.

So I am dumb for asking this question huh?

Kirin Tor is a mage organization. It is a class not a race

Cenarion Circle is a Druid organnization

Earthen Ring is a Shaman organization.

The members of the kirin Tor could be high elf, could be dragon
They can join Kirin Tor if they are a mage

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Stormwind is a race kingdom not class kingdom.

The kirin tor is a mage organization but DALARAN is a human kingdom, HOWEVER it does have members of other races in it so no you're not stupid for asking the question.

I wouldn't compare it to the circle or earthen ring though because while those are PURELY regulatory bodies, Dalaran is a place where people live and the Kirin tor were meant to be that place's governing body, it really never should have been neutral, it's an alliance place and it should've stayed that way.

Blizz should've given the Horde its own awesome mage group

[Soul Craver]

The kirin tor is a mage organization but DALARAN is a human kingdom, HOWEVER it does have members of other races in it so no you're not stupid for asking the question.

I wouldn't compare it to the circle or earthen ring though because while those are PURELY regulatory bodies, Dalaran is a place where people live and the Kirin tor were meant to be that place's governing body, it really never should have been neutral, it's an alliance place and it should've stayed that way.

Blizz should've given the Horde its own awesome mage group

Maybe I'm wrong about Dalaran as the joint kingdom that built by high elves and humans.

[Spellweaver]

1. Not even remotely the same thing.

2. My issue is more with Blizzard making everything about orcs and humans, to a lesser extent elves and dwarves get some attention, but the res of the races might as well not even exist.

3. Yeah but we've had new leaders for the Kirin Tor TWICE in the past few years and both times they've picked the strongest mage... which has been human.

And if you add up the total number of strong lore mages...

You have...

Kael...

and humans.

It's kind of dumb.

You forgot about Queen Azshara and Mordent Evenshade (current Archmage and leader of the Highborne)

And like others have already stated: Dalaran is a human kingdom, it'd only make sense if a human was leading a human kingdom.
The Kirin Tor, on the other hand, was the mage organization that's led by mages like Modera, Aethas Sunreaver and Jaina. (but obviously not anymore, due to recent events)

[Deleted]

Dalaran is/was a human kingdom, just like Gilneas, Lordaeron, Kul Tiras, Stromgarde, Alterac, and Stormwind.

It is only natural that the rulers of a kingdom are of the same race as their citizens.

You have to realize that in the Warcraft universe, Humans controlled nearly EVERYTHING in the Eastern Kingdoms prior to the invasion of the Orcs. Even after the Second War, the Seven Kingdoms were the strongest power on Azeroth. It took the combined assault of the Undead and the betrayal of Prince Arthas (causing the other Kingdoms to lose trust in one another) to shatter the Humans' stranglehold on the Eastern Kingdoms.

Humans are like rabbits in most fantasy universes, and Warcraft is no different. Even now, I'd wager there are far more Humans on Azeroth than any other form of intelligent life (possibly excluding the Silithid).

It isn't some sense of "Human bias" that makes Blizzard write it this way... they write it with the Humans as the dominant force on Azeroth because the original premise was "WarCraft: Orcs vs Humans". The Orcs were an evil race invading Azeroth (or Eastern Kingdoms, what they thought was the entirety of Azeroth) and fighting against THE dominant race, the Humans. The Dwarves, Elves, and Gnomes existed and got token appearances, but it was made very clear that the Humans outnumbered all of them in absurd proportions.

Source, or I must call bs.
I'm pretty sure the night elf population is at least as high as the human population, the humans were just spread, which made them lose ther kingdoms.

[Skytotem]

You forgot about Queen Azshara and Mordent Evenshade (current Archmage and leader of the Highborne)

And like others have already stated: Dalaran is a human kingdom, it'd only make sense if a human was leading a human kingdom.
The Kirin Tor, on the other hand, was the mage organization that's led by mages like Modera, Aethas Sunreaver and Jaina. (but obviously not anymore, due to recent events)

How the hell do you figure mordent evenshade matters at all?

Also fair point on Azshara though by now she's probably outside the realm of 'mage' magics the same way Medivh and the other guardians were.

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Maybe I'm wrong about Dalaran as the joint kingdom that built by high elves and humans.

Dalaran was built by mages that wanted a city state where they'd be in charge and not mistrusted by peasantry or manipulated by royal folk. Unfortunately, they were much more reckless with their magic than the initial 100 that the high elves trained so there started being anomalies, so they talked to the high elves about it and the high elves collectively facepalmed, dropped by to give the humans some more tips and the whole 'guardian' thing got started. Granted I might be a bit off due to how many times they've retconned the timeline and that whole series of events :\

[Telwar]

TBH, the high elves probably didn't give enough of a crap to contest human leadership. They were probably too busy contemplating the arcane and sniffing magical residue off of other elves to care.

[RyanEX]

Dalaran is a human city created by humans.

The Kirin Tor was a group of HUMAN mages that were the leaders of Dalaran. The High Elves just served as an advisory role when the humans began to delve into more and more intricate magics.

So long story short, Dalaran is a human built kingdom and the Kirin Tor are basically the nobility of Dalaran.

[Skytotem]

Dalaran is a human city created by humans.

The Kirin Tor was a group of HUMAN mages that were the leaders of Dalaran. The High Elves just served as an advisory role when the humans began to delve into more and more intricate magics.

So long story short, Dalaran is a human built kingdom and the Kirin Tor are basically the nobility of Dalaran.

Kirin tor had elves in it, namely Kael'thas.

I do agree it's a human kingdom at heart but it had members in command positions that were from other races.

[Icaras]

Because lorelol. Apparently, humans are best at everything, getting favored by deities of different cultures and other bullshit.

Well...being a human in real life, I can tell you that yes...we are the best at everything. Humans rule man!

[Immitis]

How the hell do you figure mordent evenshade matters at all?

Also fair point on Azshara though by now she's probably outside the realm of 'mage' magics the same way Medivh and the other guardians were.

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Dalaran was built by mages that wanted a city state where they'd be in charge and not mistrusted by peasantry or manipulated by royal folk. Unfortunately, they were much more reckless with their magic than the initial 100 that the high elves trained so there started being anomalies, so they talked to the high elves about it and the high elves collectively facepalmed, dropped by to give the humans some more tips and the whole 'guardian' thing got started. Granted I might be a bit off due to how many times they've retconned the timeline and that whole series of events :\

the guardians of tirisfall thing actually had nothing to do with dalaran. it was founded by the high elves soon after they settled in as a kind of "f u we can handle this shizz" to the night elves about the burning legion. eventually humans and gnomes joined as well but it was always there to find and snuff out any trace of the burning legion to prevent another invasion.

when you think about it, it kind of backfired. they built the guardian as an ultimate weapon against the legion to show that arcane magic can be used as a defense instead of bait and it ended up leading to the first second and third wars O-O

[Deleted]

Eventually humans will be better at everything than everyone.

We'll see human shamans and druids kicking the shit out of thrall and malfurion, we'll see them building amazing technology far beyond the gnomes and goblins, and we'll see so much light shining out of their asses that they will blind the draenei.

Why? Because we are humans, and we love to see ourselves be awesome.

[LazarusLong]

Will never happen. The Scourge attacked Dalaran and their beloved leader, Atonidas, was slain.

The people of Dalaran have as much right to hate Undead as the surviving Lordaeron citizens and the Gilneans.

As for why they always Human?

Dalaran is one of the 7 Human Kingdoms. It only makes sense that it's ruled by Humans.

If any other race were to rule Dalaran, it would be a High Elf, but that's unlikely. Human kingdom and all.

I'm pretty sure there are undead Dalaran mages. But they are like Meryl Winterstorm, not forsaken.

[Combatbutler]

the guardians of tirisfall thing actually had nothing to do with dalaran. it was founded by the high elves soon after they settled in as a kind of "f u we can handle this shizz" to the night elves about the burning legion. eventually humans and gnomes joined as well but it was always there to find and snuff out any trace of the burning legion to prevent another invasion.

when you think about it, it kind of backfired. they built the guardian as an ultimate weapon against the legion to show that arcane magic can be used as a defense instead of bait and it ended up leading to the first second and third wars O-O

No, the elves advised the humans to stop using the arcae altogether, but the humans refused and the Order of Tirisfal was founded as a result. The high elves could use their magic without problems because of their runestones. Dalaran on the other hand was reckless and lured demons to Azeroth.

[Stir]

Flat out bullshit.

Humans are the hero. The ones that rise to the occasion no matter what that have empathy and kindness in their culture which leaves other races scratching their heads. Etc...

They are not -always- evil.

Humans and orcs are -always- important in fiction.

This is nonsense. Absolute nonsense.
Lord of the Rings kind of set the trend with the human bashing. Read the book; all humans were easily corruptable, dimwitted, stupid cretins. The only 'human' hero of the book who wasn't was Aragorn, who is, arguably, not even human (numénor). The Wizards certainly aren't human, and the Elves cannot let a scene go by where they don't mention that 'Men are weak.' Those frail elves, by the way, are better swordsmen than the tougher built humans. They are stronger, wiser, faster, more magical... They've got pretty much everything on humans.
Orcs in Lord of the Rings are cannon-fodder, nothing more.

Now; that trend being set in that book is followed in nearly every story of fantasy ever written since. Humans are always depicted as weak, dimwitted cowards. Sure; the hero is often a human who overcomes all of their species-specific weaknesses, but those are a hand-full of the entire species. The rest is still described as lesser, and the wisest of human characters always, without exclusion, defer to the wisdom of Elves. Always.

As for Orcs: There's a series of novels called 'Orcs' in which they are more than cannonfodder. Then there is the Warcraft setting, in which they are more than cannonfodder. But those are the exceptions.

Eh.. what. Am I still in the WoW forum? Read a wiki entry or something.

Draw conclusions, or something.
Elves live for a long time in the WoW lore, right?
Yet they're not that much more intelligent or wise than other species, really.
Which means that they take a lot more time to learn things.
Which means they're stupid. It's a really simple conclusion.