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    In Sweden they do not. They fight for other peoples presumed freedoms in different parts of the world.
    But soon after Mr Xi secured a third term, Apple released a new version of the feature in China, limiting its scope. Now Chinese users of iPhones and other Apple devices are restricted to a 10-minute window when receiving files from people who are not listed as a contact. After 10 minutes, users can only receive files from contacts.
    Apple did not explain why the update was first introduced in China, but over the years, the tech giant has been criticised for appeasing Beijing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proberly View Post
    Oh a country declared war upon USA and did this, did they?

    So it wasnt just an organization that did it?

    I suggest you hang your head in shame, and appologize to whatever immaginary country you just insulted.
    The organisation responsible was al queda and they operated out of several countries at once, but their main base of operations was in Afghanistan. When the Taliban were approached by the US to assist in the capture of its leaders, they refused to assist, resulting in a NATO mission to route out the terrorists. Had the Taliban assisted, it realistic to presume they would still be in power now. You can see the difference as central government in Pakistan is at least putting up the pretence that they are assisted in the fight against terrorism and therefore have not had even the threat of invasion (not that most of NATO can afford another war anyhow).

    So in summary, by failing to assist in the capture or termination of the continued threat that was al queda and openly blocking George dubya, they left no other option to neutralise the threat via open warfare with the Taliban siding with the US 's enemy. Since then, it has been guerrilla warfare against an enemy only interested in its own outcomes and its hardlined attitudes, no matter who is hurt, which is much different to its NATO backed origins, the mudjahedin, who were for the people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stellalock View Post
    The organisation responsible was al queda and they operated out of several countries at once, but their main base of operations was in Afghanistan. When the Taliban were approached by the US to assist in the capture of its leaders, they refused to assist, resulting in a NATO mission to route out the terrorists. Had the Taliban assisted, it realistic to presume they would still be in power now. You can see the difference as central government in Pakistan is at least putting up the pretence that they are assisted in the fight against terrorism and therefore have not had even the threat of invasion (not that most of NATO can afford another war anyhow).

    So in summary, by failing to assist in the capture or termination of the continued threat that was al queda and openly blocking George dubya, they left no other option to neutralise the threat via open warfare with the Taliban siding with the US 's enemy. Since then, it has been guerrilla warfare against an enemy only interested in its own outcomes and its hardlined attitudes, no matter who is hurt, which is much different to its NATO backed origins, the mudjahedin, who were for the people.
    uhm i thought i´d read somewhere that they actually tried to assist but the US refused... or was that iran?

    i guess the US isn´t fighting pakistan is because pakistan actually owns nuclear weapons and not because "yeah they are allright, they hid bin laden but well at least they tried"
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    I never said I was knowledge-able and I wouldn't even care if I was the least knowledge-able person and the biggest dumb-ass out of all 7.8 billion people on the planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyve View Post
    Let me answer this for you; Yes.

    Whatever your opinions and views are, generally people who serve in the Military are good, honest people who want to do nothing more to serve their country in one of the most dangerous, and courageous ways possible. To hate people who are in the Military, on the basis that they advocate war is childish and pathetic.
    This is strange, he is talking about what they do, you are talking about who they are. That's two very different things. Most people in the military are good, honest people yes, does that mean what they are asked to do is good and honest too ? No.

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    I am thankfull, but it's a job like any other. A baker for example is just as important to keep the country/world working. People who are more thankfull for military serving their country are rather ignorant of how important other jobs are.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ysilla View Post
    This is strange, he is talking about what they do, you are talking about who they are. That's two very different things. Most people in the military are good, honest people yes, does that mean what they are asked to do is good and honest too ? No.
    Interesting point. I personally hadn't thought of it like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proberly View Post
    Oh a country declared war upon USA and did this, did they?

    So it wasnt just an organization that did it?

    I suggest you hang your head in shame, and appologize to whatever immaginary country you just insulted.
    Go take a trip to Lybia or Pakistan please and say you are an American. You will realize real fast what the military prevents from happening to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alenarien View Post
    OP reminds me of the typical Leftist conspiracy theorist that are just so damn easy to dislike. If I had the physical health required of a soldier i'd happily do their job, and regarding why, Orwell summed it up quite succinctly;
    Even tho those rough man are honest in their duty, those who command them are not. It's all about fucking money and they are using those rough man's patriotic feelings as well as regular citizens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daerio View Post
    So are you saying that that mentality - follow orders, don't ask questions, don't disobey, don't think - is not part of our military?

    No, of course it is. And again, it's not something that should be respected, when it's so easily abused.
    Thats bollocks, we are encouraged to think for ourselves, you are supposed to disobey orders if they are unjust.

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    It's actually a military duty to refuse an order if it is unjust.

    There seems to be this myth that military personnel sit in dark rooms being ordered to shoot everyone they come into contact with, or that every round fired is only fired because they've been ordered to do so.

    Orders are given and military personnel conduct themselves according to their training, rules of engagement, personal conduct within those general framework.

    Order: "Capture compound (x)"
    Action: Capture compound (x) whilst adapting to situations encountered whilst on task.

    That's how it actually goes down. What happens inbetween is invariably down to the soldier holding the weapon kicking in the door of compound (x) not because they were ordered to behave in a specific manner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skroesec View Post
    So you regret our funding of the Afghan Mujihadeen which broke the back of the Soviet Red Army in the 1980s, delivering upon the USSR a gangrenous wound that made Vietnam look like a mere slap to the face?
    The most funny part about your invasion in Afghan is that drugs export from this country increased by several times comparing to so called "terrorist's" ruling, who has been actually destroying opium fields. Yeah, drug dealing clearly fits into concept of freedom and country defense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarac View Post
    Interesting point. I personally hadn't thought of it like that.
    Well, original post style isn't very clear, but that's how I interpreted it. But well, as soon as you say anything "wrong" about military, people just should back at you "but they're very nice people !" and get flagged as anti-patriotic or things like that, unless you talk about some exceptional media covered cases of torture or such (and even in this case, some people will still do that). This is kind of sad, makes talking seriously about their actions a real pain in a lot of countries.

    One can be admiring of the faith/devotion these people put in their job, while criticizing them for lots of the actions they do. And this has nothing to do with being "anti-patriotic" or something like that. On the contrary, criticizing military can be a very patriotic act, if you believe they don't serve the interest or image of the country you live in. And I personally think this is something everyone living in a militarized country should think about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethas View Post
    The most funny part about your invasion in Afghan is that drugs export from this country increased by several times comparing to so called "terrorist's" ruling, who has been actually destroying opium fields. Yeah, drug dealing clearly fits into concept of freedom and country defense.
    as far as i know, that´s a very dilemma down there, the only solution for the farmers is to grow opium because the cartells actually pick that shit right up at the farm and so the likelyness of being robbed is pretty much zero... so the unstable situation causes the farmers to work for the cartell to not lose everything thats left
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    So, look um, I'm not a grief counselor, but if it's any consolation, I have had to kill and bury loved ones before. A bunch of times actually.
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    I never said I was knowledge-able and I wouldn't even care if I was the least knowledge-able person and the biggest dumb-ass out of all 7.8 billion people on the planet.

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    For the majority of us it is a moot point what they we are fighting for. We risk our lives for our brothers in arms to make sure each and every one of us comes back from this shit hole in one piece, I could really care less what "people" think we are fighting for.

    If you have an issue with the reason, take it up with your elected representative.

    -SSG C, U.S Army....via Afghanistan.

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    LOL funny thread...

    Two thoughts for you:

    1. No middle east country is a threat to the US? Please visit the families of the WTC victims and tell them that, I'm sure it'll comfort them.
    2. If you're a solider and have given an oath to obey orders (or you get sent to prison and shit), would you rather make yourself believe you were doing it for a righteous reason or prefer to believe you're just blindly murdering people and families because some dick that you don't even like told you to for a reason not even he understands?

    Think about that and then get back to me, k?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RICH1471 View Post
    Thats bollocks, we are encouraged to think for ourselves, you are supposed to disobey orders if they are unjust.
    that´s somehow strange... if everyone is encouraged to think for themselves, why do unjust orders appear in the first place?
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    So, look um, I'm not a grief counselor, but if it's any consolation, I have had to kill and bury loved ones before. A bunch of times actually.
    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    I never said I was knowledge-able and I wouldn't even care if I was the least knowledge-able person and the biggest dumb-ass out of all 7.8 billion people on the planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    that´s somehow strange... if everyone is encouraged to think for themselves, why do unjust orders appear in the first place?
    Question of what you perceive to be unjust. I never once thought "This is wrong." It all felt very right!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reqq View Post
    Question of what you perceive to be unjust. I never once thought "This is wrong." It all felt very right!
    that doesn´t make sense then... there have to be some rules applied
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    So, look um, I'm not a grief counselor, but if it's any consolation, I have had to kill and bury loved ones before. A bunch of times actually.
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    I never said I was knowledge-able and I wouldn't even care if I was the least knowledge-able person and the biggest dumb-ass out of all 7.8 billion people on the planet.

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    While I have no comment on the whole fighting for freedom/defense of our country, I would just like to say that those shootings that happened were not really an act of terrorism. Those people were just not right in the head and thought it was a good idea to shoot people for some reason. Terrorism is different. I mean killing is killing but when you compare terrorism to deranged murderers it changes. To say that those shooters were terrorists you are calling every single murderer out there a terrorist. Those kind of people kill because their fucked up brain is telling them to do so. Terrorists kill because they have a reason behind it whether it's stupid religion or whatever.

    Here's a definition of terrorist from Dictionary.com: "a person, usually a member of a group, who uses or advocates terrorism."

    Also terrorism:
    1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
    2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
    3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

    So I'm pretty sure those shooters weren't terrorists nor do I think they were committing any act of terrorism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    that doesn´t make sense then... there have to be some rules applied
    You mean "Rules of engagement"? They exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reqq View Post
    You mean "Rules of engagement"? They exist.
    then they must apply to the one who orders and the one who obeys, well i have to leave now, read you all soon
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    So, look um, I'm not a grief counselor, but if it's any consolation, I have had to kill and bury loved ones before. A bunch of times actually.
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    I never said I was knowledge-able and I wouldn't even care if I was the least knowledge-able person and the biggest dumb-ass out of all 7.8 billion people on the planet.

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