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    Quote Originally Posted by AcrobaticMegalodon View Post
    Sorry if I'm bad at describing, but let's say you open a massage clinic, and all your staff is SECRETLY ordered to offer sex to the costumers. Like the staff will never admit to being ordered to the police.

    But everyone who attends it will tell their friends and now everyone goes there for sex (both men and women), but they will never admit to selling it.

    Can you legally get away with it if you're not advertising for it?
    or just have a camera and call it porn

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    Quote Originally Posted by Socialhealer View Post
    THIS, have a camera in the room, if the police say prostitution if going on, say yes sex is happening but we're filming it, so it is PORN which is legal then /flex.
    The 'porn' loophole only works in California IRC.

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    A horrible idea. You are essentially setting yourself up for a MASSIVE blackmail from your "staff".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiar View Post
    You'd also have to get agreements from the customers stating they agreed to be filmed having sex. In addition, you have to -sell- the tapes for it to be legally pornography, not just film it.
    This. Also it would be hard to pull this off in court if you're getting money from your 'actors' instead of paying them. Any reasonable jusge would put two and two together.

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    Alright, I have a new idea. Instead of sex, in the end of the massage, you give the costumer a handjob (which is still illegal). All of the staff does this, but when the police confronts them with it, they just tell the police that they were not ordered to do that, and it was outside the service in which they offered it, like a bonus because they liked the costumer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AcrobaticMegalodon View Post
    Alright, I have a new idea. Instead of sex, in the end of the massage, you give the costumer a handjob (which is still illegal). All of the staff does this, but when the police confronts them with it, they just tell the police that they were not ordered to do that, and it was outside the service in which they offered it, like a bonus because they liked the costumer.
    The problem still remains that your plain hinges on the staff being trustworthy enough that they would never, ever say anything. Never. Even if you accidentally ran over their cat and they hated you and wanted to get back at you. Okay, maybe not running over their cat, but, you know--if you fired them for something (and I mean anything)? If they just got fed up one day with it? How would you even go about hiring people for this? "By the way, in order to work here, you have to be totally cool with having sex with/giving handjobs to total strangers and not ever telling anyone ever"

    And it's definitely something the ENTIRE staff would have to do, because otherwise (if you only had a few that did) you'd wind up with customers who became regulars and came in one day to have someone who's not clued in on the operation and then THEY blow the whistle when Mr. 79-year-old-Creeper-Grandpa starts to feel her up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiar View Post
    The problem still remains that your plain hinges on the staff being trustworthy enough that they would never, ever say anything. Never. Even if you accidentally ran over their cat and they hated you and wanted to get back at you. Okay, maybe not running over their cat, but, you know--if you fired them for something (and I mean anything)? If they just got fed up one day with it? How would you even go about hiring people for this? "By the way, in order to work here, you have to be totally cool with having sex with/giving handjobs to total strangers and not ever telling anyone ever"

    And it's definitely something the ENTIRE staff would have to do, because otherwise (if you only had a few that did) you'd wind up with customers who became regulars and came in one day to have someone who's not clued in on the operation and then THEY blow the whistle when Mr. 79-year-old-Creeper-Grandpa starts to feel her up.
    LOL alright, realistically speaking you're right. But let's say that the staff (you included) are a group of best friends from massage school or whatever and have planned this for years. So you're all agree to it, and no more staff will be added, and you will be able to adjust the situations when it doesn't seem appropiate.

    The group of friends make their decision if a scenario seems risky, like the costumer is a cop or something.

  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by AcrobaticMegalodon View Post
    Alright, I have a new idea. Instead of sex, in the end of the massage, you give the costumer a handjob (which is still illegal). All of the staff does this, but when the police confronts them with it, they just tell the police that they were not ordered to do that, and it was outside the service in which they offered it, like a bonus because they liked the costumer.
    The staff caught handing out hand jobs are still indicted for prostitution. When pressured, they're going to narc. Good luck with that.

    Quote Originally Posted by AcrobaticMegalodon View Post
    The group of friends make their decision if a scenario seems risky, like the costumer is a cop or something.
    There's still a pretty high chance you're going to get busted.

    How can you be sure that your group of friends don't narc? Friendships fade pretty fast when you're talking about jail time.

  9. #29
    Yes it is. The prostitutes can claim the money come from the massage while the sex is voluntary. They show it in Scam City Las Vegas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yurano View Post
    The staff caught handing out hand jobs are still indicted for prostitution. When pressured, they're going to narc. Good luck with that.
    Is it illegal to have sex during a massage? Because I've heard stories of staff having sex with their costumers, because they seem sexually attractive or something. But is that illegal too? Because if that's the case, then I admit defeat.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cattaclysmic View Post
    Yes it is. The prostitutes can claim the money come from the massage while the sex is voluntary. They show it in Scam City Las Vegas.
    Oh well, I guess I need to study law before I speculate these things. :P

    Edit: oh wait, I read your comment wrong. I guess it is legal then lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AcrobaticMegalodon View Post
    Alright, I have a new idea. Instead of sex, in the end of the massage, you give the costumer a handjob (which is still illegal). All of the staff does this, but when the police confronts them with it, they just tell the police that they were not ordered to do that, and it was outside the service in which they offered it, like a bonus because they liked the costumer.
    Someone need to be really naive to believe that employees would be that loyal when they have police breathing down their necks.

  12. #32
    prostitution is legal. its called porn. its illegal to pay someone to have sex with you while you tape it, but totally legal for you to pay 2 other ppl to have sex with each other and tape them

  13. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Ssith View Post
    or we could just legalize, regulate and tax prostitution. instead of being little bitches about it.
    But than the religious right will be all up in arms crying to the ultra conservative's how bad it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by araine View Post
    But than the religious right will be all up in arms crying to the ultra conservative's how bad it is.
    Hopefully it will change in the near future.

    The world seems to be moving in that direction in a startling speed already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AcrobaticMegalodon View Post
    Is it illegal to have sex during a massage? Because I've heard stories of staff having sex with their costumers, because they seem sexually attractive or something. But is that illegal too? Because if that's the case, then I admit defeat.



    Oh well, I guess I need to study law before I speculate these things. :P
    What's illegal is the exchange of money for sex.

    One of my coworkers goes in for "massage and relaxation" every Friday lol. He says you go in, pay mama-san a fee for the massage. You get massage, then during the massage the girl will explore certain areas, and if you don't object, she will ask for tip. You tip girl for her good massage, and depending on how good of a tip you give her, you get anywhere from happy ending to full blown sex. There is never any discussion of exchanging money for sex, therefore there is no crime being committed. That's how those places remain open everywhere.

    I have not been to a massage parlor because I'm afraid of getting STDs, although I hear you are far more likely to get them from your average bar chick than an asian masseur.

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    How would they demand payment for the services? You would only be able to charge for the massage...

    And it's not a loophole, your simply trying to lie about the prostitution.
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    You'd end up in jail in under a month I bet.

    First off, you're selling sex. Even if you try and deny it, the evidence is there.
    Secondly, you say you're forcing the women to do it. Might as well tack on some counts of force prostitution and coercion to that list of offenses.

    You really think none of them would rat you out to save their own selves?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AcrobaticMegalodon View Post
    Sorry if I'm bad at describing, but let's say you open a massage clinic, and all your staff is SECRETLY ordered to offer sex to the costumers. Like the staff will never admit to being ordered to the police.

    But everyone who attends it will tell their friends and now everyone goes there for sex (both men and women), but they will never admit to selling it.

    Can you legally get away with it if you're not advertising for it?
    No, not legally, but it's common practice. There are something like 10 of those places in walking distance of my apartment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lockon Stratos View Post
    What's illegal is the exchange of money for sex.

    One of my coworkers goes in for "massage and relaxation" every Friday lol. He says you go in, pay mama-san a fee for the massage. You get massage, then during the massage the girl will explore certain areas, and if you don't object, she will ask for tip. You tip girl for her good massage, and depending on how good of a tip you give her, you get anywhere from happy ending to full blown sex. There is never any discussion of exchanging money for sex, therefore there is no crime being committed. That's how those places remain open everywhere.

    I have not been to a massage parlor because I'm afraid of getting STDs, although I hear you are far more likely to get them from your average bar chick than an asian masseur.
    There is always that latex thing you can put you your penis that supposedly protects you from STDs. If that is what's stopping you from doing it (no pun intended).

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    The only loophole that kinda exist in canada/usa is concerning escort services. (im not talking ranches in vegas) if you flat out ask for sex its obviously illegal. but an escort offering 'girlfriend' services where you dont discuss sex (on the phone or w/e) and you just happen to have a 'gift' (ie. money) available for her on arrival....that is a loophole. kinda like girls having a sugar daddy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nalle View Post
    There is always that latex thing you can put you your penis that supposedly protects you from STDs. If that is what's stopping you from doing it (no pun intended).
    ....you can get STD's from skin on skin contact. (well things will grow and are considered in the realm of stds; herpes, syphilis, lice, warts etc)
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