BC>WotLK>MoP>Cata. BC and LK were both really good expansions in my eyes. MoP has sucked so far but it has not nearly been as bad as Cata was.
BC>WotLK>MoP>Cata. BC and LK were both really good expansions in my eyes. MoP has sucked so far but it has not nearly been as bad as Cata was.
MoP has absolutely the worst PVP I have ever seen in wow. Shame the systems/balance team dropped the ball, because the art and story aspects of MoP are really good. First time I have unsubbed for more than two weeks since vanilla is right now, and its certainly not that im just sick of the game, because I loved cata.
Also a shoutout to wotlk for bringing us the amazing social-shredding LFD system.
Cata. It hyped me more than any other expansion, but didn't really deliver.
TBC was the expansion they took a game that was doing well and ironed out a lot of bugs/issues, gave us a tonne of stuff extra to do, kept the story interesting and thus is generally perceived as the one that set the bar.
A lot of people joined in wrath, the ease of access WAS undoubtedly a reason for this, the story though was decent. They added a LOT of polish to existing systems, tried a few new ideas and put out some of their best raids.
This is why you get one of these 2 being listed as favourites. The first is favourite amongst "old" players, wrath is preferred by the group that started playing during it.
Cata tried to go hardcore which pissed off a lot of the wrath playerbase while not providing enough content compared to what we'd seen previously which pissed off the old school. They had to do it, the old world needed the facelift cata brought but it was a painfully "empty" expansion as a result so will be most peoples worst.
So MoP - it's cool to hate the current expansion but I think this will generally go down as the 2nd best. It has all the systems built up over the last few expansions done pretty well, it's got a LOT of decent boss fights in the raids (so far and I think thunder king will be up there with Ulduar for raid content) and is otherwise fairly well balanced. Yes, dailies suck but there's not really masses you can do to alternate it, you end up mindlessly repeating something or doing nothing till more content is released.
The pace they are going with patches is one that's likely going to see them good, they've got all the groundwork done to be able to focus on good content and I really think once the few (IMO fairly blinkered) people get over "lol, panda's" or "I hate the Asian theme" it's going to go down as one of their better efforts.
For me its:
TBC>MoP>Wrath>Vanilla>Cata
Originally Posted by BoubouilleOriginally Posted by xxAkirhaxx
I don't see why MoP is even an option on these polls. The expansion is largely still ongoing and as we know from Ulduar, it only takes one solid tier to make an expansion.
As for the worst, its clearly Cataclysm. The expansion looked great on paper, but Blizzard bit off way more than they could chew. So much was scrapped.
Not to mention the patch content was awful. 4.1 was very disappointing and even worse, 4.3 felt like a horrible conclusion the expansion. It was certainly not on par with the Sunwell or ICC.
I don't see how previous poll's canvassing the opinion of the members of MMO-C is anecdotal. Wrath was generally disliked by the Vanilla and TBC raiding generation when it was current and for the first year of Cataclysm. Sometimes you need distance to appreciate the good things about something and I believe that this is true for successive WoW expansions.
You watch in 8 months time people will be talking about Heroic Rag, Heroic Spine and Sinestra with fondness and pining for the return of these kind of encounters. Most people HATED ICC at the end of wrath, having been stuck with it for over a year. Now it's lauded as one of the better raids. Time has a way of changing people's view on things.
I started in vanilla and when cata hit I was happy wrath was over. Looking at them both cata was much worse than wrath for me, bc was the peak for me. I quit in mists but I don't feel it was worse than cata (at the moment), I was just burned out.
You will always see most hates for the last expansion, it's freshest in our minds. Maybe people will find mists afterwards, some will some wont. It's easy to say that won't happen because mists is an improvement or whatever - but everyones going to remember a 10 month dry-spell before the new expansion when the only thing left is the balance issues and nerfed content.
@Rhyseh people have talked about heroic rag, and to some extent sinestra, with fondness since they were ingame. That is no evidence at all.
in cata i can level an alt in 7 days and gear him to enter in lfr, now i can't.
nuff said, this xpax sucks
Lol? you have more to do this expansion if you don't raid than ever before. Scenarios, challenge modes, etc. Not to mention all the pvp stuff is still available to do I'm not sure what more you really want as there's more than ever.
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Cause you have to put in some effort before you can get carried in lfr? Not a very good example of why it's bad.
I'd say MoP is the worst. For people who complain that old WoW was similar but people burned out, just compare those two periods. People miss good times, because WoW was an adventure, now days it is what ? Content based on dailies, and everything is instant. It is completely different game. I canceled my sub on january, and i didn't stop playing because i hate MoP and dailies sillyness, but game mechanics which is way too easy which is no fun. IF Blizzard thought they will attract new players more, if they remove trainers etc etc, maybe they will attract few, but they will lose more, and they lose people who they should respect the most. I sense in fact Blizz is burned out, they pick easy way, make up some dull story and give zillion of dailies which reward poor rep, YEAH that is huuuuge effort, if you really thought Greg Street i will take part in this crap, you mad man, you mad. I've had amazing times in WoW, now i wouldn't call it WoW anymore, they should rename it. I play 4v4 in W3, nice thing is still tons of people playing it, incredible fun.
I started BC, and I wasn't impressed with Cata's design. Dragon Soul was "meh."
I also didn't like how Cata revealed how lazy our playerbase is. "WAH! HEROICS ARE HARD NERF OR I QUIT!" So they nerf them. Because Ozruk was hard to tank or something (try moving out of Ground Slam, morons.) So now, because of this, because we can't have semi-difficult heroics or the QQers who want Wrath-style faceroll fest heroics will leave, we can't have semi-difficult heroics.
I'm not talking BC hard, mind you. Just something that would at least require that I do more than cast PoM every eight seconds to keep a tank alive.
Putin khuliyo
having a lot of time =\= putting effort in what you do.
blizz spent 2 xpac promoting alt leveling and now you cant have more than 3 chars at a decent level because...well...not everyone is a college student.
"some effort"? lol at least a month of dailies is "some effort"? well i really think you are a lucky boy.
They nerf all things in recent years, because they don't want to lose money that is Gregs Street Policy, but that is path to nowhere. Subs will be going down fast.
burning crusade is easily the worst.
illidan? ruined. kael'thas? ruined. draenei lore? retconned. eredar lore? retconned. sargeras origin lore? retconned. me'dan? caused by the burning crusade. garonas origin story? retconned. naga collecting swamp water? never explained. khadgar? old Alliance hero, did nothing but sit with a windchime and cry about medivh while neutral. alleria and turalyon? didnt even show up. their son? did nothing but walk back and forth asking for his parents.
burning crusade had so much potential but it was wasted horribly. they fumbled over storylines and ruined good characters for the sake of having flashy names as raid bosses and basically retconned huge swaths of lore because they thought it was "cool" and wanted to give the alliance a demon looking race.
mists lore is like a Shakespearean magnum opus compared to the writing in burning crusade
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I did vote for Cata.
HOWEVER, there is a strange trend to hate on the expansion just gone. I think it's because after 18 months of playing the same content it just feels stale and tired.
Mark my words, in 18 months time when a new expansion is released, players will be so over Mists and be hating on it, and Cata will be looked at more favourably. The love for BC and Wrath will get even stronger.
Absence makes the heart grow fonder.
With regard to the last xpac: That's exactly what I have been stating. People here were saying that people loved Wrath when Cata was released, which is simply not the case. If you do a quick search of previous threads you will see a huge volume of posts corroborating this. I'm sure we could tally them up and present them in a scientific opinion vs time format, but it's not something I would choose to spend my time doing.
I never said it was evidence, merely what I believe you will start to see happening. History thus far would also corroborate this theory. Perhaps Heroic Rag was a bad example, however Firelands and DS as a whole are not something that people speak about with fondness right now. I'm merely predicting you will see this change over time.
best to worst
Mists
Vanilla
Wrath
Cata
TBC
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Same order as the expansions were released, but that's probably go to do with my own interest just snuffing out, each time lower and lower, yet somehow it still tickles me sometimes.
The first poll is for the best expansion 5 days after was Cata released unsurprisingly Cata was the winner.
The second link asks for people opinions of which is the best and worst expac it has 11 replies only one references Wrath as the worst.
The third is a few months after the Cata launch and comes closest to proving your point but only has 309 votes in total and Wrath is only 37 votes behind Cata, the fact that Cata is now a long way behind TBC shows that people are already becoming frustrated with it.
The fourth, bizarrely, asks which expansions is Cata better than almost five months before Cata was released so I think we can discount that as nonsense.
The fifth asks if Cata will be the best expansion ever a month before it was released and makes no mention of Wrath, although I bet the 131 people who voted yes feel pretty silly now.
And last but not least the sixth asks which expansion people enjoyed the most the winner is TBC with 37.7% of the vote followed by Wrath with 29.4% which by no means proves that Wrath was unpopular.
So whilst the polls are not anecdotal they have an incredibly small sample size and do not prove what you are saying. Consistently when asked what the best expansion was people have chosen TBC or Wrath it is likely as time goes on there will less players that played during TBC and Wrath will attract a higher percentage of votes in future polls.
If people are pining for the return of Cata in a few months then it will mean that MOP has become a massive disappointment. People complained about ICC at the end of wrath because we had nothing else to do for almost a year not because it was bad.
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