[Anime] People's view on anime

[Shiny212]

Some of the animation I've seen far exceeds that of any western animators, even Pixar. Have you seen any of Miyazaki's films? They might have a far different style, and not that gloss that western animation does, but it is far more beautiful, well drawn, and far more heart is put into it. There are some shows that are poorly drawn, just like there are some cartoons that are poorly drawn.

A pixar film and the animation that goes with it is work for an entire team for 4+ years. It's NOT comparable to anime films that require a miniscule amount of drawings in cartoons, and less than half the work in their digitally animated films. I'm not saying they're all bad, I think Spirited Away is amazingly good, but as far as the animation of it goes, it's a far cry from Disney, or Pixar, even Dreamworks.

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Anime=Porn=Lolicon=Pedophilia=Creepy. That's why peoples views on Anime is so negative. It's condoned pedophilia in most peoples eyes.

I don't give a shit about anime myself but I do know that anime doesn't equal pornographic cartoons. My parents both born in the 50's has a different view though.

[Zatheyll]

A pixar film and the animation that goes with it is work for an entire team for 4+ years. It's NOT comparable to anime films that require a miniscule amount of drawings in cartoons, and less than half the work in their digitally animated films. I'm not saying they're all bad, I think Spirited Away is amazingly good, but as far as the animation of it goes, it's a far cry from Disney, or Pixar, even Dreamworks.

Have you been in the studios as they make the films? How do YOU know what goes into making an anime film? All I see are assumptions. I personally think far more heart and time is put into anime films then most western animations.

[Digglett]

A pixar film and the animation that goes with it is work for an entire team for 4+ years. It's NOT comparable to anime films that require a miniscule amount of drawings in cartoons, and less than half the work in their digitally animated films. I'm not saying they're all bad, I think Spirited Away is amazingly good, but as far as the animation of it goes, it's a far cry from Disney, or Pixar, even Dreamworks.

And you would know this... how?

Just look at this, and tell me it's poorily animated (this isn't even a movie or OVA, it's a full on series):

[Shiny212]

Have you been in the studios as they make the films? How do YOU know what goes into making an anime film? All I see are assumptions. I personally think far more heart and time is put into anime films then most western animations.

I take a keen interest in animated films, especially Pixar since they basically pioneered the genre of digital animation and popularized it. If you research the matter you'll find that an animated feature such as Toy story, takes a team approx 5 years to complete. As for heart? I cry my eyes out in these films to this day and am proud to say it. Spirited Away is a great film, but had me nowhere near as emotionally vested. But back to the matter at hand, most anime films aren't digital, they're hand drawn no? And the amount of drawings per second is miniscule compared to virtually any Disney classic. There the picture is seamless while in an anime film you'll find the same frame being used for several seconds with only small changes in environment and expressions. I'm not saying they're bad, or have no heart in them, it just takes a lot less work and actual skill to make.

And you would know this... how?

Just look at this, and tell me it's poorily animated (this isn't even a movie or OVA, it's a full on series):

Happy to, do you see those closeups of the characters faces? Traditionally anime uses something like 8 drawings per second? In a disney feature it's 24 per sec. I find that a lot more pleasing to the eye and certainly more impressive. And just to clarify, I'm not saying all anime is BAD, I'm saying it takes much less effort to make than say, Pixar digital animation or Disney cartoons

[stumpy]

I loves me some tentacle porn.

[xylophone]

Anime just generally has the reputation with most people to either be hentai or really kiddy shonen stuff. Let's be honest as well, to someone who hasn't watched enough anime to become acclimated to the tropes and pacing present in most anime, it can be kind of strange.

[Zatheyll]

I take a keen interest in animated films, especially Pixar since they basically pioneered the genre of digital animation and popularized it. If you research the matter you'll find that an animated feature such as Toy story, takes a team approx 5 years to complete. As for heart? I cry my eyes out in these films to this day and am proud to say it. Spirited Away is a great film, but had me nowhere near as emotionally vested. But back to the matter at hand, most anime films aren't digital, they're hand drawn no? And the amount of drawings per second is miniscule compared to virtually any Disney classic. There the picture is seamless while in an anime film you'll find the same frame being used for several seconds with only small changes in environment and expressions. I'm not saying they're bad, or have no heart in them, it just takes a lot less work and actual skill to make.

Disney classics? They're as low framerate as can be. Their non-fluidity is what makes them what they are.

You can only do so many frames a second while hand-drawing, which makes digital both easier and takes a lot of the heart out of doing it. (In my opinion)

I'm no expert, but digital seems far far easier to do to me. It might give the animation that gloss that many western animation films have now a days and anime doesn't, but that's it's own style, just like anime has it's own style.

[Haven]

If you haven't watched a single anime in years, how can you lay claim that there hasn't been a good anime in a long time? I don't think you qualify to make such statements.

Well, apparently, I was referring to a period of several years before I quit.

[Zatheyll]

Happy to, do you see those closeups of the characters faces? Traditionally anime uses something like 8 drawings per second? In a disney feature it's 24 per sec. I find that a lot more pleasing to the eye and certainly more impressive.

The faces in anime is what makes anime anime. They don't do it like western animation does, because they aren't western animators. They are eastern animators and they have their own style to do it. Some might like one while others might like the other, but it doesn't make one overall worse then the other. One is digital while the other is hand drawn.

Anime is a completely different beast to western animation and it's fairly hard to properly compare the two.

[Digglett]

Happy to, do you see those closeups of the characters faces? Traditionally anime uses something like 8 drawings per second? In a disney feature it's 24 per sec. I find that a lot more pleasing to the eye and certainly more impressive. And just to clarify, I'm not saying all anime is BAD, I'm saying it takes much less effort to make than say, Pixar digital animation or Disney cartoons

Isn't that a given though? I'd like to know of any animation form or company that could surpass both Pixar and Disney.

[Shiny212]

The faces in anime is what makes anime anime. They don't do it like western animation does, because they aren't western animators. They are eastern animators and they have their own style to do it. Some might like one while others might like the other, but it doesn't make one overall worse then the other. One is digital while the other is hand drawn.

Anime is a completely different beast to western animation and it's fairly hard to properly compare the two.

Indeed it is hard to compare, interestingly though, there's a wide spectrum of western animated films and comic books and they often differ in facial design etc, but in anime I find that nearly all human characters are extremely similar in facial and hair design.

Isn't that a given though? I'd like to know of any animation form or company that could surpass both Pixar and Disney.

I'd say so, but it felt as though it was in dispute here.

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Isn't that a given though? I'd like to know of any animation form or company that could surpass both Pixar and Disney.

Dreamworks has some pretty badass movies.

[xylophone]

The faces in anime is what makes anime anime. They don't do it like western animation does, because they aren't western animators. They are eastern animators and they have their own style to do it. Some might like one while others might like the other, but it doesn't make one overall worse then the other. One is digital while the other is hand drawn.

Anime is a completely different beast to western animation and it's fairly hard to properly compare the two.

Yar, IMO it has nothing to do with technical skill, it's just a difference in style. Look at stuff like Ghibli or 5cm/sec, the characters may be animated in a simplistic manner, but the environments blow Disney out of the water.

[Zatheyll]

Indeed it is hard to compare, interestingly though, there's a wide spectrum of western animated films and comic books and they often differ in facial design etc, but in anime I find that nearly all human characters are extremely similar in facial and hair design.

There is a large amount of anime that shares the same style (especially more recent ones), but if you look just a bit you can find as many different facial designs in the thousands of shows that make up anime as you do in western animation.

[Shiny212]

Dreamworks has some pretty badass movies.

They do, I LOVE Shrek for instance, although the sequels are nowhere near as good as the first one. Still, they're not quite as prominent in the animated section, unlike Pixar they produce loads of other films too.

[Zatheyll]

Yar, IMO it has nothing to do with technical skill, it's just a difference in style. Look at stuff like Ghibli or 9cm/sec, the characters may be animated in a simplistic manner, but the environments blow Disney out of the water.

Hahaha, it's 5cm/s. Just had to correct that.

I agree with you though completely.

[stumpy]

Dreamworks has some pretty badass movies.

Yeah, but...

[Pfeff]

My guess is because most anime fans are weird as fuck, even for this crowd

[Zatheyll]

On 5cm/s though, check it out if you want top notch animation. It's only about 60 minutes in length, but it blows anything I've seen out of the water in the amount of insane detail in it.

Just turn the quality up to HD and watch this scene from it, it's worth it. Every frame is wallpaper worthy -