That's the difference between a normal guy and a rapists. The normal guy knows how to calm down and get on a civilized level. We are still animals and we still have to fight against our most basic drives and instincts something that is contradicting to your nature and therefor difficult, it requires someone who WANTS to not be a rapist.
'Twas a cutlass swipe or an ounce of lead
Or a yawing hole in a battered head
And the scuppers clogged with rotting red
And there they lay I damn me eyes
All lookouts clapped on Paradise
All souls bound just contrarywise, yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!
I see this discussion is getting us nowhere. If you think your beliefs are true by definition then they're irrefutable but that doesn't mean they're true.
Ad-hominen doesn't work on me. If your counter is simply to say that because sometimes I get frustrated and just want to get laid, then I'm a rapist or whatever and the rest of you real men never feel frustration because you jerk it out like a pro the minute you feel frustrated then what can say? You must be really good at jacking off.
"There's no gray area, you just want to justify rape"... now that has to be my favorite one. So I say there's a gray area in the motivation for rape and you say I justify rape because I don't agree with your definition of what motivates rape? Are you this obtuse in real life too or just on this forum?
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Ya, there's no such thing as god, because I said so. Godwin in all it's glory.
You weren't worth my time.
Facilis Descensus Averno
Same here. I have NEVER supported the rapist what i HAVE done is point out that sometimes the hormones might be the cause as well as the situation.
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No "right" wasn't the right word in the female case..I guess fair might be abetter one but not sure. I HAD thought about that while typing just wasn't sure what to say.
oh and fyi, when a woman says stop, there is a large possibility that it's simply due to nerves and embarrassment. just like a man can be too insecure for action, so can a woman, regardless of how much either one wants it. plus stopping hurts a lot.
also the legal definition of rape in the us includes inserting your finger into someone's belly button for 30 seconds. just putting that part out there for no real reason.
Wait, what are you talking about, exactly?
If a girl's gotten me hot and bothered, and then says "no", I don't immediately lose my erection or something. But me having a boner doesn't mean I'm suddenly ruled by my penis and must do as my penis commands. Girl says no, I back off and figure out what's wrong. I may still have a raging boner, I may get blueballs. But I'm not going to rape her because of either of those facts.
That's where the difference is. Rapists don't care about her, so they satisfy themselves despite her protests. Normal men don't, because we're not rapists. If you're arguing that you can't make that decision because you have a boner, then you're either mentally deficient (not arguing that you are, just ticking a possible box), or you're actually disposed to be a rapist, or you're lying through your teeth for some godforsaken reason.
There are no other options. Every man can choose to back off when a girl says "no". Some of them choose not to.
Yes we can but sometimes for SOME people they CAN become TOO strong to control.
And i am NOT trying to justify rape merely offer REASONS other than say "he's a demonic monster who exists to rape women" type scenario most seem to picture. It is NOT always about power and control.
Honestly i;m beginning to think until men geta fair side to share THEIR issues concerning rape such as REASONS why it MIGHT happen and SOME MEN MIGHT rape women outside of power and control we will not be able to solve this issue as a society.
I love how you call him on ad homieum and you do it right back. *Facepalm*Ya, there's no such thing as god, because I said so. Godwin in all it's glory.
You weren't worth my time.
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Warrior-Magi
You said there's a gray area in the motivation of rape. A "gray area" means a case where you can't be sure it's right or wrong. Which means that you think that sometimes, people can be rightly motivated to rape.
Which means you're justifying rape. You said it yourself, right there.
Most animals are. To know that rape, murder or theft is wrong isn't something that comes naturally. Not even for us mighty all knowing humans. Morals and laws are learnt behavior and something we need to make our society work. All that you call civilized behavior is a product of living in a civilized society. If you were born and raised in a society that doesn't have laws or doesn't bother teaching children what is and what's not allowed, then you wouldn't be able to see what is wrong or not. Point is, morals aren't natural behavior, there is no such thing as morals outside of society, only different perspectives.
Exactly! However, those men who go through with it are lesser people, that is a fact.
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