Originally Posted by
zomgDPS
This.
And on that topic.
Battle Report 2
I have put in some time trying to figure out Invoc Arcane vs RoP Arcane.
This is assuming Invoc is full haste vs RoP is full mastery.
I've personally tested both builds in the new raid and I just cannot find a single reason to take Invoc over RoP. There is a significant and rather clear disparity between the two.
Even on fights with medium movement, RoP is just hands down winning. I've tried many many different Invoc strategies, ranging from straight "never drop stacks AB AM burn" all the way through trying to game the mastery, nothing comes close to the standard, basic ABx4 AM ABr of RoP Mastery Arcane.
Invoc haste is a solid 10k+ DPS behind RoP if played equally well. Heck, I even tried my own 'special' Invoc Mastery Arcane strat (as described in the OP) and even that cannot beat RoP Mastery Arcane.
I think Invocation is just not viable for Arcane at this point. Sure it allows you to be more mobile, but even if you just end up casting RoP every time you move, you still win out with RoP Mastery Arcane.
What I have found though is that a cyclical ABx4 AM ABr version of Invoc Haste Arcane is actually beating the 'traditional' AB spam AMs no stack dropping strategy. It seems ABr will now be used no matter what the talent. However, this point is mute, since anytime you would want to use Invoc Arcane, RoP Arcane would be better.
All that aside, I made some other observations too. Frost is actually quite close to Arcane. On some fights its almost identical. This is assuming the classic IW Haste Frost.
But putting that on one side, Fire is still king. In pretty much every fight, Fire if played right will indeed dominate. I am getting more and more sure of that every test and raid I do.
If any one of you have done some raid testing, your thoughts/observations would be useful right about now.