Ra'den has 30 attempts per week limit

[Deleted]

What kind of shit have you been smoking where you think other guilds are going into your instance grieving you?

cough cough crashing server with fishing macro cough cough.

[TooMuch]

3) you can't use alts to feel out this particular encounter. this isn't normal lich king. this is a heroic-only boss, available once per heroic id. the idea of using alts to get more learning attempts before using mains on the "real" attempts is completely invalid here. to generate more attempts with alts you need an alt raid to clear 12/13Heroic. if you haven't killed Ra-den with your main raid before your alt raid reaches 12/13Heroic, that means you've already had something like 120 attempts (1 month) on Ra-den already... the alt raid would then barely serve you any learning purpose other than having more attempts on the fight you've already progressed on.

What if... you enter the instance with ONE so-called main (having completed 12/13 heroic) as raidleader and fill up the group with 9 alts? Would that be possible? Then knowing that you won't get it the first week, you could basically do 9 or 24 more the 30 tries ;-)

[Moshots]

3) you can't use alts to feel out this particular encounter. this isn't normal lich king. this is a heroic-only boss, available once per heroic id. the idea of using alts to get more learning attempts before using mains on the "real" attempts is completely invalid here. to generate more attempts with alts you need an alt raid to clear 12/13Heroic. if you haven't killed Ra-den with your main raid before your alt raid reaches 12/13Heroic, that means you've already had something like 120 attempts (1 month) on Ra-den already... the alt raid would then barely serve you any learning purpose other than having more attempts on the fight you've already progressed on.

The only issue I see with this is your right "MOST GUILDS" could not. Honestly with ra'den this way I guarentee anything that Paragon will Be world first no matter if the boss is harder on 10 like sha was or not. Paragon runs close a 15+ man roster and on top of that Everyone on there roster plays atleast 2-3 toons as well as there main. Blood legion and vodka and US guilds have alot of players who suck ass on there alts. Methoid even doesn't have the mastery of alts that Paragon has. I guarentee paragon will be getting 60 attempts a week by the 2nd week.

[TirielWoW]

I have a feeling this is going to end in tears and asshattery. I saw so many guilds get screwed out of attempts back in ToGC and ICC, due to lockouts being ninja'd (primarily via Wintergrasp at the time). I sincerely hope that Blizzard makes sure this can't be done this time around. Otherwise...I foresee much asshattery in the future.

[nyc81991]

30 attempts is more than enough for a weekly limit. I mean if its going to take you more than 30 attempts to down a boss there is no reason you can't wait untill the next week to get another 30 attempts in. If you can't do it in 60 attempts than you aren't the type of player that this boss is aimed at.

[Mesovr]

30 attempts is more than enough for a weekly limit. I mean if its going to take you more than 30 attempts to down a boss there is no reason you can't wait untill the next week to get another 30 attempts in. If you can't do it in 60 attempts than you aren't the type of player that this boss is aimed at.

That basicly disqualifies all top guilds then as they spend far more than 60 attempts on the highly tuned and dificult bosses.

[TirielWoW]

What kind of shit have you been smoking where you think other guilds are going into your instance grieving you?

I saw it happen repeatedly during WotLK. It happened in Ulduar (Yogg 0, anyone?), ToGC, and ICC. There was a guy on my server during ToGC who got gkicked from his guild before the end of the raid week for bad behavior. It was the first time his former guild had gotten to Anub'arak HC on 25 man. So, he made a raid that night with a friend, went into the instance and spent each and every one of their limited attempts for the week.

Later, during ICC, the GM from that same guild did a similar thing to my guild at the time. He got leader of a Wintergrasp raid group, gave lead to one of my guildies who was in the Wintergrasp raid, then hopped into our ICC Heroic lockout and spent every single one of our end boss attempts. He did this at least twice that I know of.

So, yes, this is going to end in asshattery all around.

[nyc81991]

That basicly disqualifies all top guilds then as they spend far more than 60 attempts on the highly tuned and dificult bosses.

Maybe I should have said that better. If you can't do it in 60 attempts and you are mad you need to wait another week to try again you aren't the type of player this boss is aimed at. Alagon didn't give you even close to that amount of attempts.

[TirielWoW]

Maybe I should have said that better. If you can't do it in 60 attempts and you are mad you need to wait another week to try again you aren't the type of player this boss is aimed at. Alagon didn't give you even close to that amount of attempts.

I guess Heroic Ragnaros wasn't aimed at a guild like DREAM Paragon, then. >.>

[Secrecy]

Maybe I should have said that better. If you can't do it in 60 attempts and you are mad you need to wait another week to try again you aren't the type of player this boss is aimed at. Alagon didn't give you even close to that amount of attempts.

And as we all know, Algalon is the only raid boss we've seen in WoW.

[Deleted]

Imperial vizier is still the boss with most wipes in short time. Prenerfed most guilds were around 600-800 wipes on it.

[Deleted]

I think it's alright, not many guilds will actually get there anytime soon and adding a limit means that guilds will feel a bit more ugency in trying to make the most out of their attempts on the boss.

[Sheridanjohn]

I had a quick scan and i couldn't see anyone mentioning that this is after the last heroic encounter (lei shen).
Top raiding guilds don't have the time to clear heroic + alt heroic in a week to utilize more attempts.

1 thing i could see happening is say top 5 guilds all waste their attempts then the boss is nerfed and another guild snaggs world first.

[Xsy]

You all seem to consider that 12/13 is easily achievable not only in one week , but also with undergeared alts. We do not know how difficult ToT will be , hell , Lei - Shen might be an epic brick wall.

[Banzhe]

http://imgur.com/a/KoUGb

Please no.

I like it honestly, it forces players who reach that stage to focus rather then just churn out as many attempts as possible until it's routine!- or put in another way, the best guild will get the kill first rather then those with the most time (Assuming guilds at that stage put equal amount of time into reaching it)

Hopefully it also means that extending lockouts won't reset your attempt counter.

[aGit]

No crap, if it takes you more than 30 attempts I think its a good time to take a breather and idk watch a movie go outside something other than sit trying a boss for the 31st time.

You assume people do all the pulls on the bosses in one sitting.

[Deleted]

http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/2...ited-attempts/

Here is a blue response that might clear up a lot.

---------- Post added 2013-02-16 at 01:52 PM ----------



OFC the "raiding community" doesn't speak with one voice.
There are the hardest of hardcore which are maybe the top 5 guilds.
There are the Top 100 ..
..and the Top 500 that now killed heroic Sha of fear.
There are the 2000 guilds in heroic ToES.
There are the 12 000 guilds with at least 1/16 HM.
There are the 39 000 guilds that are at least 1/16 normal.
There are the LFRaiders.

If it is a community it is very diverse in skill and approach

Blizzard: The next expansion will be a piece of shit in a box.

Det: What you all moaning about?, it will be easy to clean and the box will be really useful!

[Deleted]

Imperial vizier is still the boss with most wipes in short time. Prenerfed most guilds were around 600-800 wipes on it.

I don't think you got the right numbers there, or you miss typed.
The guilds who managed to kill it the first few days spent around 100-120 pulls, half of them being coz they had to reset the boss.

[Ryve]

I had a quick scan and i couldn't see anyone mentioning that this is after the last heroic encounter (lei shen).
Top raiding guilds don't have the time to clear heroic + alt heroic in a week to utilize more attempts.

1 thing i could see happening is say top 5 guilds all waste their attempts then the boss is nerfed and another guild snaggs world first.

That's only relevant for the first week. Most of the top guilds alt runs likely have an current average ilvl of about 505. After the first week of normals, which they'll easily clear on all of their alt runs, their mains and alts will probably be sitting somewhere around 510 with the lucky ones perhaps even 515. Main raid group and alt runs all the same.

What you don't seem to understand is, once you've got a fight down, it really isn't that hard to do it again, even with an alt run... Because all of the strategies and mechanics are down pat. So, assuming the first 12 bosses fall in week one of heroic lockout, depending on how many hours spent per boss, they may not get any alt runs in that week, though in all probability they may still get one or two. However, come the second week the bosses already downed will go down so much faster on the main group that already has some heroic gear - a lot of it considering we're talking about 12 heroic bosses over 2 weeks, that they would have plenty of time for alt runs to maximize their attempts. And even more so, if you have all those alts at that gear level, you realise "frost death knights and arcane mages are incredibly good on this fight, well beyond the ilvl increase of normally being in our main group" and pull out any weaker classes in favour of said DKs and mages. Then I would say they would very literally be prepared to just spend their alt runs getting all of the mechanics down pat so they could do their final 30 attempts on their main group with the classes stacked.

[Dreyen]

I like it, itll make the world first race more interesting.