You can say that it is not intended, but it is absolutely not cheating!
This is a "clever use of game mechanics" VS "not intended" debate, nothing more.
When you reset a challenge these things happen:
- you teleport to the beginning, even the dead bodies
- 3+ min CDs reset
- all mobs reset
- timed and kill counters reset
- all pets despawn
But neither buffs nor debuffs reset. So instead of making a snapshot of your character at the start and reset to that state blizzard decided that buffs/debuffs shouldn't reset. So it is absolutely not cheating, they didn't do anything against the rules.
They found a bug which allowed them to keep your stacks after a reset. Something that is not intended. They used this bug to their advantage (Which by the way, is the definition of an exploit as far as games go).
Killing adds at the start of the video is a part of your run and such should count as part of your time as well. The entire video is 12:40 with the start missing as well, plus the lack of extra debuff stacks. The actual run took much longer, so your time shouldn't count.
It's hardly a bug, it just doesn't remove buffs or debuffs. Working as designed.
Challenge modes need seasons, with persistent leaderboards when one is over. That way you can fix bug and reset times without destining exploiters to always sit at the top for the rest of history after the exploits are fixed, and it doesn't diminish the achievements of the people with the top times, as those are forever remembered. It also deals with the serious issue of class changes. Honestly, I don't understand why seasons wasn't a core part of the feature from implementation.
"Quack, quack, Mr. Bond."
You keep telling yourself that. It's clearly cheating. You can call it anything you like, creative use of game mechanics, whatever you like but it's clearly not intended or you'd just have the buff when you walked into the instance. Not stacking it up, reseting and starting again.
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This guys knows what he's talking about. The rest defending this cheating are clearly deluded.
Last edited by Navitas; 2013-02-19 at 02:01 PM.
Then what else should count as the time of the run? Eating food for buff? Buffing up? Crafting flasks? Or even leveling up the profession for it? Maybe grinding the klaxxi repu for the ambers? Or even leveling up characters? Or getting the 463+ gear?
Of course I am joking, but please realize that this is not as "black and white" as you think.
The idiots who complain about keeping the debuff: Everyone else is doing the same. These guys did it better.
Clever use of game mechanics. This is hardly unique to this one buff/debuff that would actually make it a true bug, just because this is beneficial it's taken advantage off. Going by what ion hazzikostas in his watercooler blog on when it becomes an exploit.
It, WILL get hot fixed, in the mean time, people need to stop bitching. Speed running is Speed running, And by the sounds they got the worlds fastest time. GG. Its a exploit that they found and used. You see more bitching on forums than real life if someone see's someone else "cheat".
I doubt it will be fixed, considering half the runs in there are done resetting with the buff. Everyone knew it, so fixing it will require resetting most times. The part they did and others group didnt was kiting the slimes. So grats to the op.
It was fairly easy to see for every group going there, if you fail and reset you noticed the buff staying right away. At least we did back then.
Last edited by mmoc38db56fadf; 2013-02-19 at 03:14 PM.