So much this. What makes it so bad is even when you would have to be mental to not realize it's a troll people still buy into it. Or people will play along to troll people into yelling at them for feeding the original troll. There just seems to be no end. They just want attention and it's easier to get bad attention than it is to get good attention.
Yes, they are bad.
First of all, remember when Cata came out and heroics had some challenge to them? MASSIVE screaming on the forums. Huge NERF OZRUK!!!! threads (because avoiding ground slam is hard.) Rather than adapting and learning simple crowd control and coordination, everyone screamed until Blizzard nerfed the heroics, and this was after everyone screamed about Wrath heroics being too easy. :boggle:
So now as a result we have heroics that take 5 minutes to steam roll, LFR where people aren't penalized for ignoring mechanics and players who are so impatient that they leave at any sign of difficulty.
And when things do happen in heroics, when someone makes a mistake, it's rare to see people say "hey man, when X happens, you gotta do Y." It usually skips that step and goes straight to "WTF YOU F**KING NOOB! L2P!" *votekick.* Players are hostile to new players and they don't even give new/bad players a chance to learn and improve. Some bad players won't accept valid criticism because they're dumb, but some are bad because they simply don't know how to play and can become good if someone just helps them. I'm one of the "help them first, kick them if they can't learn" people. Some people go straight to "kick them."
It's frustrating.
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Another thing that frustrates me is when good players make honest mistakes and then take shit for it. In Cata, I decided to do LFR on my rogue. I hadn't done LFR in months but I had been doing normal (maybe even heroic mode) for a while. We get to spine and I start killing tentacles via the Normal mode strategy. Just basic instinct. I had completely forgotten that LFR did it differently.
Oops.
I apologized and didn't do it again but I took shit for it like I was some sort of noob. No, just made an honest mistake. Or there was the time I was tanking Spine and somehow I thought my amalgation was casting Nuclear Explosion. So I ran. It followed. I freaked out and tried to get back into position. Didn't work. Raid lit me a new one.
It's frustrating to play a game in an environment like this where if you make a mistake that might wipe the group, people throw a fit. They expect you to be perfect and then act like children when you aren't. They forget that people make mistakes.
When someone makes a mistake once, it's fine. Twice, depends on the situation. If they continue to repeat the mistake, then okay, yes, initiate the VTK system.
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Most if not all of the online gaming communities could all be considered bad because of the anonymity and being able to say what you want when ever you want with little to no repercussions. This will never change.
The WoW community is horrible. And no, we shouldn't feel bad. Blizzard has done nothing to fix it and as long as WoW is a subscription based game, they won't. So get used to it.
When I see threads being created like this http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...-Boot-from-LFR in which the OP really thinks he is right in ANY way and see some posters agreeing with him, you can really see how bad the wow community has become.
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As far as I'm concerned it bottomed out in early Cataclysm. Ever since then I've been kind of a WoW hermit. I do 5 mans and stuff but I don't really talk anymore, the few times I've ventured out of my shell in groups I've gotten slapped so hard it's taught me to just shut up lest my queue time have been wasted. I also switched to only tanking and healing since the DPS gestapo was so horrible. If you were doing 1 dps less than some idiot thought you should be doing you'd get the boot and an hour of your life went down the drain for nothing.
I'm not really sure how it is in Pandaria to be honest, I very rarely login anymore and my account has been lapsed for months.
Isn't it strange that people who are socially awkward in real life excel at the social aspects of WoW, whereas I'm very extroverted and love to be the center of attention IRL but I suck at the social part of MMO's. Anybody know the science of that?
I agree with what you are saying about reporting bad behaviour I do not agree with taking the law into your own hands so to speak. You have to remember that many of players that cause problems are of an age where they seek attention, regardless of whether the attention is negative or not, by going to the lengths you describe you are giving them the attention they so crave. By calling them out and reacting in kind you become part of the problem.
The best way you can deal with the people you describe is to ignore them, they soon get bored and the best way to improve the community is to act in a polite, civil manner towards each other.
This is the second thing I agree with you about, who'd have thunk it!
It wasn't sensible it and had nothing to do with the thread. Whilst Lovecrafts and I were disagreeing with each other we were not at each other's throats as you put it nor were we as you condescendingly describe it continuously bickering. Even though I do not share Lovecraft's point of view I have not found him to be rude or offensive and I hope that he has found me to be the same.
It is not your place to back seat moderate or accuse us of something that neither of us feel that we were doing. If you have issue with anything that either of us written then feel free to report the offending post to a moderator and allow them to deal it as they see fit.
It was just my two cents to try and help, man.
I had no issue with any of the points nor anything either of you had said.
I was just pointing a fairly good point out and it seems it came off the completely wrong way since you're somehow offended by it.
My apologies regardless.
It's just the divergent nature of the interactions. In real life there are so many more indicators such as facial expressions, laughter (or lack thereof), various gestures, and the tone of voice used in response that make them more involved than just typing a few things on a keyboard or watching polygons move around on the screen.