Warlocks on Sha of Fear Heroic (10)

[Deleted]

Currently working with my guild on sha of fear heroic, trying to prepare as best I can (raidleader and MT myself) we are making some decent Phase 2 progress but it's pretty clear we need to squize every bit of performance out of our DPS in order to not hit the "soft enrage" of way to many fucking adds.

Now we have two warlocks, one beeing an afflicition warlock (this guy should have enough gear to be usefull);

Logs:
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/f...=10472&e=11087

Armory:
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...arden/advanced

And one destro warlock, somewhat undergeared and a pretty recent recruit so not used to how we raid completely, trying to addept though. So far we only brough him when some other DPS wasn't able to make it;

Logs:
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/c...s=9517&e=10378

Armory:
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...C3%A0/advanced

The last link beeing our longest attempt (way to little DPS on Sha though, about 10% behind when we had the 10th submerge). The afflicition warlock wasn't there for some reason hence why the destro was in.

I was wondering if some people here would have some advice for my two purple friends. Something i noticed in some videos is affli locks running with Harvest Life. When is it better to harvest life than just spread dots? (Or is there no breakpoint based on the amount of adds?)

I'll post a link on our board towards this thread the locks in question can ask/reply themselves!

[Tramzh]

If you are only asking how to dps then it's pretty much just multidot untill 4 adds, then start aoeing with SoC spamming while keeping as much dots up as possible on the adds and at the same time never losing dots on boss. Don't got much destro experience, but i assume its proper usage of havoc, FnB and RoF spamming that comes into play here. I'd recommend both rolling affli if that is an option though.

[Druxz]

Well your destro lock should be affli thats for sure..

[Kink]

Harvest life as affliction is usually only used for burst AoE, which we lack. That is not the case with the adds on sha of fear, as many other locks have suggested he should be SBSS dotting every add until there's 5+ adds then he begins to AoE with SB SoC(to keep corruption on the adds) and SoC on the boss(to maintain AoE). As for the destro lock, I can't give any advice since I do not play destro .

[Deleted]

Well your destro lock should be affli thats for sure..

My friend , maybe you should reconsider your thoughts here about what to play or not if you cant say why not.

@ Odeanathus

Your Affliction lock is kinda ignoring Dread Spawns with ~20% on them which is low, 30%+ must be. Also let him know that there is a spell for affliction that is called "Seed of Corruption"
Your Destro lock is kinda blowing Chaos Bolts and hard nukes on adds instead of using them to regen embers to Hard Swap-nuke Sha, with limited 50% on Sha and ~ 40% on Dread Spawns which is more than what should be. Let him know a spell for Destro called "Havoc" which can be applied to sha and x3 shadowburns on add = ±1mil dmg in 3sec ~2mils if crit happens.

i'll let you read and get your own results on what should be happening
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...=13950&e=14912

[Rustjive]

Well your destro lock should be affli thats for sure..

Destruction is fine for this fight.

Here's the Destro lock's add damage: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/c...0378&target=54
and here's his P2 damage roughly (damage starting from 1st submerge): http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/c...s=9867&e=10335

Here's Brusalk's P2 damage roughly: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/l...=12648&e=13209

His numbers with better gear (esp. 4pc) would likely rate him fairly decently. The spell breakdown shows that he's either not using or generating Embers efficiently because there's a huge disparity between the Chaos Bolt numbers.

Both Warlocks are correct in not bothering with Harvest Life.

As for the Affliction Warlock, his numbers aren't particularly bad on P2 either. Here's his performance the other night on adds, 5 Submerges in: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/f...1087&target=50

Here's a Warlock from Avast that parsed, after 5 Submerges: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...2400&target=51

The Sha damage is off - part of that we can chalk up to gear, part of that is a higher focus on adds, part of that is generally getting better uptime on DoTs on Sha, and then just trying to get Haunts onto Sha so because on early waves you can afford to lag on add damage (and the entire raid will focus them on Submerges). Once you get later into the fight, Seed of Corruption usage will pick up the add damage as well.

---------- Post added 2013-02-20 at 01:59 PM ----------

Your Affliction lock is kinda ignoring Dread Spawns with ~20% on them which is low, 30%+ must be. Also let him know that there is a spell for affliction that is called "Seed of Corruption"
Your Destro lock is kinda blowing Chaos Bolts and hard nukes on adds instead of using them to regen embers to Hard Swap-nuke Sha, with limited 50% on Sha and ~ 40% on Dread Spawns which is more than what should be. Let him know a spell for Destro called "Havoc" which can be applied to sha and x3 shadowburns on add = ±1mil dmg in 3sec ~2mils if crit happens.

...the hell? Did you look at their logs?

1) The Affliction Warlock only got to 5 Submerges. No point in Seeding then.
2) Blowing Chaos Bolts? He only had 12 cast.
3) "Let him know a spell called 'Havoc'" - he had 9 Havoc casts in a 8:26 timespan. This is how he ended up with 41 Shadowburns during that same timespan.

[Deleted]

its not about destructions dmg, its about soulburn CoE/CoEx being very strong. dont underestimate the dps gain if the adds move only with 30% speed, same goes for CoE if you play with 5 magic aoe classes.

[Deleted]

Thanks Rustjive,

Your analyses seems spot on, we also went back last night and switched the destro out for the affliction lock again (due to gear mostly, otherwise we'd very likely run with both i imagen). Ended up getting to the same % on Sha but with 2+ less Submerges meaning 1:30 less time spend, so that was good atleast. Partially due to some people getting more used to Phase 2 I imagen aswell as us timing it favorably, we'd transition to Phase 2 right when the third platform would get back, meaning we'd start with 3 DPSers and a tank having the buff.

(http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/z...?s=8775&e=9461)

They're reading this thread so i know they appreciate the input

[Isuldur]

I am the destruction warlock on these WoL parses (Enigmà)

I know for a fact that I was a bit sloppy in regard to Havoc usage, especially in p2. I belive I had too much focus on the adds during the first few submerges. Also had the feeling, like said over me that my ember spending could and should be more effective. I know gear hinders me a bit but I should be able to pull more dps out of my current setup than what I am doing right now.

Is there any destro locks out there that can come with some tips on how to strengthen my performance on this fight? I try to use havoc with 3x shadowburns. Recently created a mouseover havoc macro which I haven't been able to try out yet outside of LFR and 5 mans.

[rezoacken]

The last link beeing our longest attempt (way to little DPS on Sha though, about 10% behind when we had the 10th submerge)

That looks fine to me. I killed it tonight for our first time and we were at 10% for the first 6 adds pack (which is after the 10th submerge if I count right).
We killed those 6, he went to around 7-8% next submerge, new 6 adds we kill, he submerges at 3%, BL is up, we ignore adds and tunnel boss under Bloodlust.

Edit: Derp... maybe you meant you were 10% BEHIND (around 20%) xD Nvm then.
Yeah looking at your dps that sounds right. Ours go from 103K (lowest) to 133K highest (me as affli) over the whole fight.