Last edited by Eats Compost; 2013-02-25 at 07:32 AM.
You are going to mention Fandral, but then use the Burning Legion as an excuse for Orcish aggression; Fandral was corrupted through and through. He was removed from power and imprisoned for trying to kill Malfurion. Who would've thought a green dragon would've sided with him to deliver him to the Twilight's Hammer. He was also Ragnaros' majordomo. Interesting tidbit about lore with respect to the Druids of the Flame. Had it not been for the Horde, they wouldn't have existed either...
Yes they were. The Gurubashi and Amani empires had total control of the Azeroth before a sect of humanoids, believed to be trolls, discovered the well of eternity and magic and destroyed the Great Empires (great only because of the land they controlled, as they were excessively violent and savage.) These humanoids later came under the name of Elves.
iis there a broken record in hear cause thats the umpteenmillionth time i've heard that excuse.
no the alliance has commited some down right evil acts, yet there is generally a reason or cause for it.
the horde on several occasions has done evil acts without justification.
thats what it boils down to, justification.
No, sorry, they haven't. Grudges were set aside under Thrall. Garrosh, wasn't motivated by grudges, he was motivated by the mentality of "everything should belong to the Horde, specifically the Orcs because we are the strongest and the best, and we will prove it by violently attacking and taking what we want". This has been verified countless times and it's the younger generation of Orcs and specifically Orcs that go along with his plan without pause or question, which is what is causing the internal conflict within the horde itself. The bastard has nothing to hold a grudge over. Neither do the young generation of orcs which are enthralled with him.
So please, re-read the story, get a better grasp of it if you are going to argue about its details.
compared to the titans and old gods the trolls are nothing, its them who own azeroth.
twice azeroth has been in risk of being destroyed by them or their tech.
even excluding them the trolls NEVER had complete control of azeroth.
the fought constantly with the insect empires and the feral titanic constructs.
any way you cut it the trolls never controlled all of azeroth.
Last edited by mordale; 2013-02-25 at 07:39 AM.
The trolls had no idea the Elves existed before they swarmed on the Empires with their magic, and Trolls are known for slavery, so no, they wouldnt have enslaved the Night Elves.
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Very true, the Insect empires were the others, but regardless the Night Elves came down on them to. I wasn't specifically referring to the trolls.
That's not true, at all
Speculation based on the fact that Mogu enslave everything, Trolls could easily have seen it as a way to try and control the growing Night Elf empire. The closest suggestion to how the war between them started was the Night Elves were aiding the Pandaren and just decided to crush the Trolls when they were done. Doesn't make a lot of sense; that part was not fleshed out at all. Not even in 5.2, to my dismay.and Trolls are known for slavery, so no, they wouldnt have enslaved the Night Elves.
No.
So slaughtering an undefended Tauran hunting outpost is justifiable ... right ...
Both sides have made countless mistakes and errors in judgement. All the quest text in-game is 100% biased - intentionally - because most of the NPCs are operating under the same propaganda.
Thrall tried to talk her down, but she's too mad at him and tried to murder him. After fighting fiercely for a while, she was about to score a killing blow when Kalec showed up and talked her down.
Varian tried to get Jaina to commit the Kirin Tor to the Alliance and kick out the Sunreavers. When she refused, Varian tried to negotiate an induction of the Blood Elves. Then she Purged the Sunreavers from Dalaran, screwing up Varian's new plan. She is pretty batty, she's flipping back and forth between extremes. One moment she's sympathetic to the plight of the Horde, then she's on a murderous rampage, then she's calm and understanding, then she's in another rage. Supposedly she calms down long enough to work with the Horde in 5.2.