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  1. #281
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordredofmia View Post
    Isn't needing to do PVP to PVE kinda..fucking stupid?

    Like if I have no interest in PVP and just wanna PVE why should I need to go buy PVP gear and do PVP just to get into PVE?
    PVP gear is a nice option for those who like doing it or to fill in a piece if you had bad RNG. T14 raids still have much better gear.

  2. #282
    Quote Originally Posted by Leonard McCoy View Post
    It's not you mists isn't as casual friendly. It's a massive grind and a massive gate in an attempt to make sure you always have something to do but it's made it so that nothing feels like it's worth doing. It's a massive cock up and bringing back linear progression is about the stupidest fucking thing they could have attempted to do.
    I disagree. While I'm just now trying to gear up a fresh 90 alt, and finding gear to be a bit of a grind to obtain at this point, it's not completely awful, then again I've never been one with the mindset of "Ding 90, gimme gimme gimme!!!"

  3. #283
    Quote Originally Posted by fengosa View Post
    Wait, LFR is boring and easy but 5 mans are great content? Not sure I follow that one. It's also a little strange that you bring up content difficulty but don't bring up doing normal modes for gear. It's the quickest and easiest way to gear up.
    To me what would make sense would be returning to the semi-Cataclysm gearing model except having the ungated gear be LFR quality, not normal raid quality.

    You run 5-mans for a lot of JP and a little VP. Remember how running normals in cataclysm would be good for a few hundred JP per run? I think something like 300-500 JP per run would be reasonable, with a daily or 7x/week valor bonus about the size it currently. Also, have bosses in all non-current LFR tiers drop, let's say, 100 JP on EVERY kill (so you can farm LFR for JP if you like).

    With JP you can buy a reasonably complete set of 476 gear from an ordinary ungated vendor. If there are no set pieces on the vendor, that's fine, I have no problem making people grind a set bonus from the RNG boss.

    With VP you can buy a reasonably but possibly less complete set of T15 LFR from an ordinary ungated vendor.

    Vendors selling normal difficulty gear could be gated with reps and whatever as they are now.

    The 20 ilevel gap between LFR and normal really should eliminate any need to gate LFR gear.

  4. #284
    It's *not* as casual (or alt) friendly as Wrath. That being said, there are plenty of ways to gear up now. Just about everything rewards VP and it doesn't take much to start building up your gear, you can get into LFR within a week of being level 90 even if you don't play much if you put your mind to it, and before you know it you'll be raid ready. Yeah, they didn't make 5.0 gear cost JP instead of VP per usual, but they reduced the price and even if you don't do many dailies there are other ways in place to get the rep now so you can unlock pieces. You can also buy gear relatively cheap or have someone craft them for you.

    You're right, JP is pretty useless after you get a good start, but they want you to see some of the older content before moving onto the new stuff. It's still a way better system than TBC and prior as far as catching-up, and if you can't wait 2 or 3 weeks to do so than it's a personal problem.

  5. #285
    Quote Originally Posted by HardCoder View Post
    Why is "any other MMO game nowadays" relevant? Any other MMO game nowadays is 1/5th, 1/10th, 1/50th the size of WoW. One thing for sure, other MMOs are NOT good examples of what people want.
    First, this was very sweet quote ripping.
    Second. Being a most successful MMO in history sure has its cons. While a less populated MMO developers can please their customers with the things community really want from them, WoW devs just cant please one part of community because they automatically unplease more huge another part of it. Blizz can never win, you know.
    Third. Any MMO nowadays relevant because its always comes to grind at the end. In SWTOR it was grind, and that grind was not only awful but also meaningless, because raid loots was better and much easier to obtain than items you could get by grinding dailies/instances. In Rift it was grind beyond all limits, close a million rifts to get badges to buy one item, then its rinse and repeat again and again. Do I need to continue my Big List of Examples? Its grind everywhere, because MMO = grind, its designed the way you must sit at your monitor and keep playing hours after hours to get loot so your character becomes stronger thus killing stronger opponents for getting better loot etc etc.
    Fourth and final. But, unlike another MMOs, where endgame grind equals weeks of farming, in WoW anyone can get up and running from new leveled 90 up to raid prepared character basically in ten days. How? There were lots of advices in this topic, even the quoted part of my original message had some. But, looks like people nowadays don't want to actually play, achieve and develop, they tend to sit in towns and cry about how bad the game become, how it is hard to get anything and how this sucks. Well, if it's your way to have fun - you're very welcome to do that.

  6. #286
    In 5.2 you can get geared enough for normal msv / hof pretty fast with the combination of doing 1-2 heriocs a day plus the daily scenario. That's a pretty easy 160 valor a day, add in doing lfr run+ a couple dailies and your at cap each week np. That means by the second week you have a 522 ilvl neck + all the gear from heroics, if your extremely unlucky then maybe it will take 3 weeks to gear up, but that's not that bad.

    And really if your a tank you can spam heroics pretty easily to get more heroic gear. It really shouldn't take more then 3 weeks even if your only doing a heroic a day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonard McCoy View Post
    Furthermore wow got where it was by being less mmo than other mmos. People have no clue some days I swear.
    There was no "less mmo" in WoW than in other games, it was just more casual. (still hardcore judging by modern standards)
    It was back then, since WoW there were plenty much more casual friendly mmos, most of them persihed really fast. Latest example Guild Wars 2, that game failed so hard in long term interest of the players, there was no progression, and did it beat WoW numbers or something? Yeah it sold well, but msot of the people left that game already

  8. #288
    Or you can make LFR a social place.


    We currently have 10 people strong that LFR on alts/mains/newbies every week...we vent up and [this might be a shocker] actually try in LFR.

    We like to compete against each other and the other geared players...is it a "snooze"? I can be, but we don't let it.

    THAT's the difference. We make the game social, if even for a bit of the LFR, and it becomes fun.



    But I know, I know...social has no place in the LFR and we should be shot.

  9. #289
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    Quote Originally Posted by nemro82 View Post
    There was no "less mmo" in WoW than in other games, it was just more casual. (still hardcore judging by modern standards)
    It was back then, since WoW there were plenty much more casual friendly mmos, most of them persihed really fast. Latest example Guild Wars 2, that game failed so hard in long term interest of the players, there was no progression, and did it beat WoW numbers or something? Yeah it sold well, but msot of the people left that game already
    Do you even know what you're talking about? On my server there's always people playing in areas of any levels and looking for dungeon groups. GW2 is just very different than WoW, it's more about having fun and playing whenever you want than grinding to show off your ''awesome'' gear. I don't know why you're saying most people already left it, I'm sure many did but I still see people everywhere and I'm having more fun in GW2 than I had in 3 years of WoW.

    Edit: If someone for some reason will say I'm starting a vs debate, no, 2 very different games for different kinds of players, no comparing, just saying the above poster has no idea.
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  10. #290
    Quote Originally Posted by nemro82 View Post
    There was no "less mmo" in WoW than in other games, it was just more casual. (still hardcore judging by modern standards)
    It was back then, since WoW there were plenty much more casual friendly mmos, most of them persihed really fast. Latest example Guild Wars 2, that game failed so hard in long term interest of the players, there was no progression, and did it beat WoW numbers or something? Yeah it sold well, but msot of the people left that game already
    More casual is less mmo. In fact the history of the game success is the history of a game less and less hardcore and over time more and more casual friendly. Starting in vanilla and all the way through right up until mists.

  11. #291
    Quote Originally Posted by Mordredofmia View Post
    Isn't needing to do PVP to PVE kinda..fucking stupid?

    Like if I have no interest in PVP and just wanna PVE why should I need to go buy PVP gear and do PVP just to get into PVE?
    You don't " need " to pvp as there are other ways to reach the requirement but doing everything possible including PvP is a sure way to gear up much faster...

  12. #292
    Quote Originally Posted by Mordredofmia View Post
    Isn't needing to do PVP to PVE kinda..fucking stupid?

    Like if I have no interest in PVP and just wanna PVE why should I need to go buy PVP gear and do PVP just to get into PVE?
    You dont have to PvP at all to get PvP gear. Run heroics, get jp, convert to honor, buy PvP gear. Its probably faster to get honor that way too since a lot of heroics can be done in 15min ad get you 300-400 jp without the perk.

  13. #293
    Quote Originally Posted by jayinjersey View Post
    Or you can make LFR a social place.


    We currently have 10 people strong that LFR on alts/mains/newbies every week...we vent up and [this might be a shocker] actually try in LFR.

    We like to compete against each other and the other geared players...is it a "snooze"? I can be, but we don't let it.

    THAT's the difference. We make the game social, if even for a bit of the LFR, and it becomes fun.



    But I know, I know...social has no place in the LFR and we should be shot.
    I've been in a couple LFRs where there was some fun social interaction in raid chat. It's just very, very rare that it happens.

  14. #294
    I stopped at "fresh 90 trying to raid". As a fresh 90, you are asking to be carried if you try to raid.

  15. #295
    Quote Originally Posted by Prokne View Post
    You dont have to PvP at all to get PvP gear. Run heroics, get jp, convert to honor, buy PvP gear. Its probably faster to get honor that way too since a lot of heroics can be done in 15min ad get you 300-400 jp without the perk.
    How sad. Blizzard has failed so hard that the solution to their failed catch up mechanics is PVP gear....

    Anyway, thats a solution for healers, but DPSers and tanks will have no hit using PVP gear.

    The fact is that Blizzard needs to wake up and stop with this non sense.

  16. #296
    Quote Originally Posted by Crashdummy View Post
    How sad. Blizzard has failed so hard that the solution to their failed catch up mechanics is PVP gear....

    Anyway, thats a solution for healers, but DPSers and tanks will have no hit using PVP gear.

    The fact is that Blizzard needs to wake up and stop with this non sense.
    They only understand one thing. Loosing subs. So their not likely to wake up anytime soon, probably around the time of the next expansion when they MAGICALLY realize they had it all wrong in mists. Can't wait for it personally. Wanna guess how low the subs dip till then?

  17. #297
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kantoro View Post
    I stopped at "fresh 90 trying to raid". As a fresh 90, you are asking to be carried if you try to raid.
    He means he's trying to get gear to start raiding, not asking to get carried with shitty gear.

  18. #298
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    I geared up like so.

    Get to 90 with 4000 honor 4000 justice. Buy 478 Malevelent. Spent what Valor I had on new 522 kneck. Its fast way to get your gear level up to reasonable level.

  19. #299
    World of Dailies

    I cant believe so many "blizz fans" support this style of gameplay.
    Free-To-Play is the future.

  20. #300
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zodiark Son View Post
    He means he's trying to get gear to start raiding, not asking to get carried with shitty gear.
    but problem is he refuse to do anything. There's no serious guild in the world that would take him for their raid team.

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