I found I enjoyed the game significantly more when I stopped paying attention to all the people on the forums telling me how much I am supposed to hate itAll this complaining is simply further proof that Blizzard could send each and every player a real-life wish-granting flying unicorn carrying a solid gold plate of chocolate chip cookies wrapped in hundred dollar bills, and someone would whine that Blizzard sucks for not letting them choose oatmeal raisin.
Yeah, going to the tiny overcorwded island in your undergeared character just to have a chance for an additional RNG in an old LFR is another bad idea from Blizzard.
Those old Elder charms should be obtained doing OLD CONTENT (5.0 and 5.1), not the content that is being done by people with 60+ more ilvls than you.
And honor gear will make you miss most of your attacks because you wont have any hit/expertise. Blizzard also promised you wouldnt have to PVP for PVE and PVE for PVP anymore, a promise they have already broken.
i'm still hoping for a wrath/cata style comeback, this way is too alt unfriendly that makes me think about quitting for the very first time.
basically xcept lfr if your guild isn't big enough to do alt runs you are forced to do dailies to get something with valors, lol this sucks in a way only who have a life can understand.
The OP said it was commonplace that with every patch in BC and Wrath that a 5 man came out to help gear for it. This happened at the last patch in BC with Sunwell and the ToC and ICC patches in Wrath. Otherwise you had badge gear to help you catch up or you just had to do the tiers in order, which is what Blizz is trying to accomplish again. This is not a new concept nor design.
Cata had problems that are repeated now in MoP. IN Cata they focused in 5 mans and ignored anything else, leaving those that didnt like to farm 5 mans with nothing to do.
Now they focused on dailies and scenarios and ignored everything else, leaving those that LIKED farming 5 man dungeons with nothing to do.
Meanwhile, in TBC and Wrath they gave content for both (5 man farmers and people that didnt like to farm 5 mans) and they succeeded.
Yes, millions, they already started losing the same amount that cata lost initially.
The isle was intended to be a catchup mechanic, why would they spread their catchup mechanic out so much? It's not hard to get coins if you're actually willing to get out there and it isn't required to pvp in order to pve. If you're talking about the 2 battlegrounds required in the legendary quest, you're silly.
Stop looking at optional content as required.
Thats like the government printing a few trillion in currency and giving it away to everyone saying, "More people than ever are millionaires, what a amazing economy we have!"
The way Blizz does it know, raiding it greatly cheapened for everyone. LFR is not even raiding, lets be honest. And the thrill for the hardcore players is greatly reduced knowing that everyone who can click a que button can do the same things they are.
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I've stopped even trying to argue. There was a time when every day people would keep posting a 20min video on here explaining how it's better for casuals to not see any endgame at all because the "mystery" makes them want to keep playing and makes it more fun :/
On topic -
I actually agree to some extent. 1st tier is fine, if you hit 90 you can use all your blue heroics plus a few LFR drops and Raid... but NOW in the second tier if you hit 90, there's a real barrier.
You can't raid in heroic dungeon gear, so heroics are only there to get your ilvl up to get into LFR and to get valor, there's no point running them for loot beyone this. BUT, you only have LFR random drops to actually gear, and if you cap valor each week, you can't even buy a new epic a week. (I KNOW you can get the reduced price old tier, but why would you, rather than just saving up another week to get a much higher lvl piece?)
It's a lot easier to come by charms and the drop rates make it a little easier, but if you want to gear up faster you still really don't have the option. You could spend 24 hours a day, 7 days a week playing but you're gated to how much you can actually progress at all in that Week time period. If you're not lucky with drops, it could take you months to get raid ready no matter how much effort you put in.
Maybe old valor gear should cost justice now, maybe you should be able to get more loot from LFR if you keep on running it, or maybe the Valor cap should be higher.
tldr: If people really want to put the time and effort into gearing as quick as they can it would be good as an option, but they're artifically gated to how much they can progress each week no matter how much time and effort they put in, and I think this is set too low at the moment.
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The isle purpose is NOT a cath up mechanic. The isle's purpose is to provide content for those that liek doing dailies and to give new content for those that dont raid. They MIXED catch up mechanic with that, which is why i thing is a bad decision.
Catch up mechanics are for those that DIDNT play the previous content, so they are not as geared as the people that is doing the isle.
The PVP part is because PVP is beign used as a cacth up mechanic for PVE by almost everyone, since its the only way to have a reliable catch up. Then you have the DPSers doing 10k damage in LFR because they miss most of their attacks.
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There are less new 5 man than any other previous expansion. And they announced they wont do any more in the whole MoP.
But you're wrong, sadly. Look at all the things you listed. Auction House, Crafted gear, crafted PVP gear. That's fine and dandy for alts if you have the gold. But what about a new player like I was in the time frame I described in my post. When I hit 80, epic flight was something I had to grind out for. Gold wasn't in abundance. I didn't have a bunch of profession whores feeding me gold. And lemme say from experience, on my rogue and my druid I finished every zone in MoP and that did not give me enough gear to walk into LFR
Everything you listed is not something a new player or a returning player without a gold bankroll has access to. Check this, I am trying to form a raid group because a lot of my local IRL friends play. In ICC I did the same thing so we could all play together. When I needed a DPS, I texted my friend and said "Stop running an alt and lets grind dungeons so you can come raid with us." He did, we did, and now my raid had a DPS. When I wanted to play with my brother, I called him and said "Hey, lets grind heroics and get you in enough gear to walk into ICC and tank for us.". We did and I did. This happened many times. In Cata we lost healers but someone had a shaman they were itching to play fully decked out in gear good enough to start with us without really holding us back. So boom, he switched toons and we continued to play.
Now in MOP, I am in the same situation. I called my brother who just got a computer back online and said "Hey man lets raid together like old times". So he gets his monk to 90 and boom. Now he has to run daily quests, now he has to run dungeons to get into LFR, now he can't get any good gear with valor because it's all behind dailies. He's been running LFR for two months and hasn't gotten enough drops to get into ToT LFR. He is a full time student with a job so he doesn't have time to log on and do daily quests and get his reputations up. And the worst part is all of the rest of us are geared up and honestly the idea of running old LFR shit we already did once and will have to do on our alts isn't appealing to us, it isn't even appealing to my brother who just wants to jump into ToT with him. So his only option is to go it alone or drag us along with him, which we're mostly willing to do but he isn't even willing to ask because he knows and we know LFR is boring as hell even when have a shot a gear, but without the gear carrot it's just unbearable garbage. He's a low key player, he mostly played to raid. He doesn't have 4-5 hours a day to spend running dailies scenarios and heroics. He never has. He has no gold, so crafted gear is out of the question for him.
All of the things you listed to paint my complaints as unreasonable are not options for him or any other player returning to the game or heaven forbid, coming in for the very first time.
And, all of the hurdles they put in gearing have cut my game in half. Because where I used to have 3-4 raid ready characters and I could hit pugs all week long on, now it's a struggle to even have two because of all the garbage people are happy to lap up and call content slowing me down so Blizzard doesn't have to spend money on the game, despite me paying $15 a month
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I dont understand your first statement so i cant comment on that. Doing the loot scenario can be done with blue gear since you fight nothing that hits harder than a leveling mob. Honor gear has hit/expertise on it, the resil/power is added after the budget. You will not miss any of your attacks if you reforge the gear the same way you would dungeon gear. You don't have to PVP. You can do heroics til 460 the go to MSV til 470 then HoF and ToES til 480 then ToT and you're caught up. No PVP needed whatsoever.
The isle has 476 epics for sale, you're not going to get killed constantly while doing dailies, my 458 ret set doesn't seem to have much of a problem and you can't blame blizzard for forcing you to do pvp when you're choosing to get epics that weren't intended for pve. You can get an endless amount of elder charms which means you can get an endless amount of chances at loot. Rng is still a thing, but this is World of Warcraft. Rng has always been a thing.
Don't confuse not getting anymore time spent on it for not having content at all. You want new 5 mans for the same reason Blizzard doesn't want to make new 5 mans - people get bored of them too quickly.
Actually, it is more like a video game where you are rewarded with gear just for making an effort in a "raid". There is no real world comparison for this. LFR gear is only on par for LFR. You have to craft or Raid for reg/heroic raid gear. An LFR runner will not get geared enough to get into 25M Heroic content. So they, in essence are NOT doing the same thing. Not sure why so many people have such issue with a simple feature that made raiding convenient for the avg person.
Total agreement with OP.
MOP is not friendly to alts ... I mean at all.
I have a surplus of justice I just don't know what to spend on.
Faction gear is largely irrelevant now 5.2 is out.
I don't see a single valid reason why current valor gear can't be made available for justice.
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Is it just me or is Crashdummy's opinion the core destruction that has been wrecked on the wow I know some out there still miss, luv and wish would come back. Basically - if it's too hard for me, I don't want it in the game because you might be able to get something i can't. Blizzard massively F'ed up when they gave that theoretical baby its bottle.