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If you didn't make such low assumptions about people you might understand. Stooping to claim my design preference is a sign of personal insecurity is a pretty weak argument. How about this: I like to be immersed in the game world and be challenged. I like choices and rewards to matter. If nothing matters I lose interest. If everyone is the same, the world is simple, boring and bland. I like diversity and complexity. LFD waters down the entire game for me and makes progression trivial.
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"There is a pervasive myth that making content hard will induce players to rise to the occasion. We find the opposite. " -- Ghostcrawler
"The bit about hardcore players not always caring about the long term interests of the game is spot on." -- Ghostcrawler
"Do you want a game with no casuals so about 500 players?"
Nah, usually it is because of 6 hours wipe nights. Some people just can't handle it.
I mean, why do i need to wipe for X hours on some stupid cho gall because someone can't handle interrupt button to get gear to be able to run new raid, if i can run heroics for X hours and get same gear as i *could* get.
I can understand why people want easier ways to get gear, so they can outgear raid and faceroll through it, but this attitude ruins all fun and enjoyment of raids, not LFD
Last edited by Charge me Doctor; 2013-03-19 at 08:34 PM.
Originally Posted by Urban Dictionary
But it's ok for you to tell us how we should feel about raiding and that we are wrong because our diluted raiding ruins your feel good moments. That's your personal issue that you need to work through. We are just as entitled to see content in our own way. It's no different that using the 10M vs 25M vs 40M argument. Just because I prefer 10M over 40M raiding does not make your hardcore experience any less hardcore.
That is exactly what you are saying about LFR. You think it should be 10M or 25M and people should be forced to raid with a guild or not raid at all because someone gave us the RedBox version of Lord of the Rings while you tell us how that version dilutes the experience of your 15hour epic collectors box edition.
It's the same movie without the extras and we are not forcing you to watch our copy.
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So, if we remove LFR to suit YOUR opinion, that would only leave Harcore raiding. One Option. Hmmm. But you said "If everyone is the same, the world is simple, boring and bland" so by removing the choices, you are making everything the same for everyone. You can't have it both ways. YOUR opinion matters to YOU and you alone. I should not have to play by YOUR ruleset. My gameplay is based on the features available to me and not the self-centered viewpoint of a "hardcore" raider.
"There is a pervasive myth that making content hard will induce players to rise to the occasion. We find the opposite. " -- Ghostcrawler
"The bit about hardcore players not always caring about the long term interests of the game is spot on." -- Ghostcrawler
"Do you want a game with no casuals so about 500 players?"
Did someone really just ask for TBC alt progression to come back? really you want to run multiple heroics to attune for kara after a lengthy quest chain, attune for the eye and SSC, just to attune for BT/Hyjal? All the while the only real way to gear is via previous raids so purely at the fate of RNG. It wasnt until the last patch a new dungeon was added ie SWP + Magisters Terrace. Once again the gear helped to get into about t5 early t6 so still far from the current end game at that time. Badge gear only filled some holes, did not completely gear you.
"There is a pervasive myth that making content hard will induce players to rise to the occasion. We find the opposite. " -- Ghostcrawler
"The bit about hardcore players not always caring about the long term interests of the game is spot on." -- Ghostcrawler
"Do you want a game with no casuals so about 500 players?"
My viewpoint allows the other 97% of the casual playebase to experience all the content that WoW has to offer. Your opinion on the matter seeks to REMOVE the ability for the 97% casual base to see anything at all because it is not "the pinnacle of raiding perfection and gives the greatest reward". We just want to raid and should not have to grind 30+ hours a week and then join a hardcore guild and HOPE for a spot and then get removed because LIFE got in the way.
We want to raid when we have the time. We want to experience the game at OUR pace... not yours. We want the right to get into a lessor raiding forum and experience the content in our own way... not the way some HARDCORE dictates. LFR was made for the people, it was a request of the people, and aside from an over abundance of gold bags, is exactly what the casuals wanted. And now you think it should be scrapped cause it "dilutes" YOUR idea of raid progression. We pay $15 a month to play too and do NOT have to do it on anyone else's terms but our own.
PS - 25M Heroic has always been tailored to Heroic. You keep yours and we will keep ours.
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That's good to know. Thanks
The hardcore players you mention there were living on a sinking island. Raids could not continue to be provided without a better ROI than catering to that tiny minority.
The notion that the great majority of players would continue to play, just so the hardcores could feel smug at the top of their exclusive heap, never had any grounding in reality.
"There is a pervasive myth that making content hard will induce players to rise to the occasion. We find the opposite. " -- Ghostcrawler
"The bit about hardcore players not always caring about the long term interests of the game is spot on." -- Ghostcrawler
"Do you want a game with no casuals so about 500 players?"
Oh I do. On my main. If you read my comment it was about alts. I like to play lots of alts. I don't want to sit in 5.0/5.1 raids the entirety of this expansion just b/c one of my alts gets zero drops. It is Blizz that said LFR is a catch-up mechanic. It's a poor one. I don't have to catch up on my main and we raid 2 nights per week and it's fun. I don't care about gear. I care that on my alts the only thing I can do to raid is the previous LFR's over and over and dailies over and over so that I can someday get to the item level required for the newer LFR's.....which I'm not burned out on.
I've leveled 5 90's now. I do BG's on one of my toons. I have 5 other toons at 85 or above. I have a monk at 67 on the opposing faction. I grind old raids for fun, transmog, and mounts. I help out guildies. I run dungeons and scenarios. And yes, I do a lot of dailies on a lot of toons. Your comment is that of a smart-ass trying to prove he is better than someone else on a forum. I've played since vanilla and there is not a time that I wasn't willing to do dailies, grind rep, grind resist gear, play catch-up, or whatever is required to better my toons. And I never venture that far beyond what is fun to me in the game.
Blizz's "catch-up" idea is nothing more than sitting around waiting for queues and hoping to get lucky with drops....all the while encouraging you to do dailies so that you can get an extra roll for those drops. At least in previous expansions there were some dungeons where you could have a little bit of variance to the fun and "catch-up" that also tied into the story.