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    Idea on helping resto mushrooms along...

    So the blooming aspect of mushrooms is a very thematic mechanic that Blizzard obviously wants to keep, but is stumbling about trying to fix. So what are thoughts on handling some rather clunky mechanics to streamline it a bit, as well as making a reason for them to be placed down in the first place?

    First off, I think the rejuv overhealing converting into extra healing power for the bloom is pretty clever. It offers the choice of playing normally, or sinking mana for a big desired big bloom. The problem with the current method is that the saved up overhealing is currently saved in each mushroom which makes the mushrooms' current mechanic far too unfriendly for basically every kind of raid encounter Blizzard wants to actually make. Instead why don't we have the stored up healing saved on the druid, the druid saves up extra overhealing up to 1/3 of their total health, and then once 1/3 is saved up a charge is built a second charge starts filling and after 2/3 a third charge starts. Mechanically this keeps the same function, but the charges are never consumed until a bloom is used, then a mushroom will consume a charge, three charges means three super blooms, one charge one super bloom and two regular blooms. The mushroom(s) that will use the big bloom(s) can be set up with the bigger models, so you at least know when you're placing stuff down what is going where, rather than having a random roulette when you push the bloom button. This would also enable micro for filling up just one mushroom quickly and using it when needed, and possibly make it so resto druids can “save up” bloom charges to use one at a time when needed.

    Now while the quality of life change to the mushroom overheal storage system will be nice, it won't fix some of the issues that arise from having absorb happy healing mechanics in raids that quite simply make it very difficult for any real healing to get anything done. To top that off, a couple of the druid skills that should be used for certain tasks aren't simply because of a utility and risk vs reward issue. So what if we also set it up so that way every time a nourish is cast the mushrooms let out a small aoe heal, something with maybe slightly more or equivalent oomph to a healing rain tick. Similar diminishing returns for stacked up players, and discourages only placing down mushroom all the time in light of the earlier mechanic change. Choices are given, and a toolbelt that had more weight thrown at it the past handful of years, without anymore really useful tools being added, finally gets a couple extra useful tools.

    The goal isn't to overpower druid healing and make them “the thing to stack” on heroic encounters, but simply to make druids functional in the real raid environment. In a vacuum or environment without priests and paladins, resto druids can probably do just fine, and maybe thensome, but since such a place doesn't exist things need to be adjusted so things work in the real raid environment.

    Anyways, those are just my thoughts on the matter, I am one of the few that actually like the mushrooms, I thought they were pretty fun and cool to use when they first were introduced back in Cata's beta. I had fun with them when I was raiding as balance, and I was happy to hear about them being added to resto's toolkit as a “burst” healing mechanic. They have since then turned out as a little lackluster, and so yeah, maybe this will fix the issue they were supposed to fix but didn't.
    What are you willing to sacrifice?

  2. #2
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    honestly if they just made the shrooms last for their initial duration, so you could move them around without losing the overhealing already stored in them, they'd be a lot better/more viable and wouldn't be OP.

    even with 800-900k (if no to little over healing) blooms on some fights we cant just chain them and still get beat by other healers in heavy ae damage burst. as they are right now, you'd only ever even bother placing them down on 1/2 the fights --- a few times on jinrokh, p2 horridon (if your raid even brings you), tortos, megaera, iron qon p1 and p4, and a few times on lei shen (depending on strat)

    combine this with most raids bringing 2 pallies, 1 priest, vice versa or in some cases 2 of each, druids have to work harder than every other healer just to be effective, let alone compete.

    I have no desire for druids to become main healers, there needs to be support healers, but unless your druid is just a better skilled player than your shaman(s), which if we're being honest, shouldn't be hard with 95% of the Shaman out there today being awful skill wise, there is no reason to have a resto druid in your raid.
    Last edited by Dynamy; 2013-04-03 at 06:21 AM.

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    The mechanic is awful, period. There is no fixing it.

    Placing them is slow, clunky, and requires cooperation from other people to actually stand on them (like getting people to click lightwell back in the day). Range is terrible and you can't move charged mushrooms. Basically, they're garbage and they need to be scrapped and replaced with something better.

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    Not sure why people are averse to a ground target spell, especially when other healers also have them.

    Mushrooms aren't going to be useful very fight, but they are pretty good when they are. Being able to do 600k healing for a little mana and a few gcds, which also saves mana, is really nice. You don't need to be hitting your whole raid with them to be useful.. They can also serve as a pseudo emergency LOH or a burst heal for a few people, like on jikun nests or roshak aoe. Underestimating being able to insta burst heal a group of people from low to full is plain stupid and the mark of a poor healer. Changing them to be easier to use would make them OP. As they are right now, they're a mechanic that rewards healers who are more skilled at using them with a little more hps and mana efficiency, while less skilled healers can still do competitive hps by continuing to spam rejuv.

    Fights that they work well on are jinrokh, horridon, council sandstorms, tortos on melee right after stomps, Megaera, jikun, iron qon, and lei shen transition if your corner is chosen for shock and the person can't solo. Obv a fight like consorts where you're very spread and constantly moving isnt as good.
    Last edited by DetectiveJohnKimble; 2013-04-03 at 07:06 PM.

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