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  1. #481
    Quote Originally Posted by Skarssen View Post
    And I am saying there is no way that we can continue to increase our numbers without making each and every one of these problems worse. Inefficiency or overpopulation, it doesn't matter. More people will equate to more environmental damage. Our species may have the means to prevent this, but it sure as hell doesn't have the will.
    Scientists have derived that our planet could hold 60B people before overpopulation comes into play. Of course the environmental damage caused by our waste would destroy the biosphere long before then.

  2. #482
    Quote Originally Posted by Rukentuts View Post
    I'd say people that think human population is to blame without taking into account the massive strains we put on the planet to accommodate our way of life need to reexamine some key facts.
    Sure if we reverted to a pre-industrial, agrarian society many of the problems wouldn't exist; but do you think that is likely? It doesn't matter than the issue is our current lifestyle, because that will never change, will never revert to the way things were pre-1800's. More people will put a greater strain on the planets ecology than we already do. It will take a major turning point in human history for this to change.

  3. #483
    Quote Originally Posted by Skarssen View Post
    Sure if we reverted to a pre-industrial, agrarian society many of the problems wouldn't exist; but do you think that is likely? It doesn't matter than the issue is our current lifestyle, because that will never change, will never revert to the way things were pre-1800's. More people will put a greater strain on the planets ecology than we already do. It will take a major turning point in human history for this to change.
    Or we could just delve into high-tech efficiency; mass transit, bio-engineered crops, etc. This is already being done.

  4. #484
    And how about you start minding your own business and stop forcing your weird ideas onto people who have nothing to do with you?

    Your Jose Ramirez comment also makes you look totally like someone I'd like to listen to.

    I am sure all the "4th child of a family" people would like to have a talk with you. Wonder what they would say if you come up with your abortion idea....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyve View Post
    And you think that inefficient consumption with even more people is going to be a good thing?
    Who said anything about continuing that kind of consumption? We're only going to be getting more efficient as the need arises, and hopefully before the need arises.

  6. #486
    Quote Originally Posted by Rukentuts View Post
    Or we could just delve into high-tech efficiency; mass transit, bio-engineered crops, etc. This is already being done.
    Measures are being taken in wealthy countries that don't have huge population problems. I am well aware that we COULD stop much of the environmental degradation, but only wealthy countries have the ability to do so, and even then most people are only agreeable when it doesn't hurt their pocketbook or inconvenience them. Do you think such steps will happen in Africa before it is too late? India? China(they may get their shit together before some of the others)? Southeast Asia?

    As someone above stated, we already have a massive problem with the way to treat our ecosystems. More people will only make this worse.

  7. #487
    Quote Originally Posted by Skarssen View Post
    Measures are being taken in wealthy countries that don't have huge population problems. I am well aware that we COULD stop much of the environmental degradation, but only wealthy countries have the ability to do so, and even then most people are only agreeable when it doesn't hurt their pocketbook or inconvenience them. Do you think such steps will happen in Africa before it is too late? India? China(they may get their shit together before some of the others)? Southeast Asia?

    As someone above stated, we already have a massive problem with the way to treat our ecosystems. More people will only make this worse.
    And how exactly does population cause these already existing environmental issues? It's the industry in developed / developing nations that is causing this environmental crisis, not the fact there are 7 billion people on the Earth.

  8. #488
    Liberal fascism, ladies and gentlemen.

    If China doesn't serve as an example of why population control is a terrible idea, I don't think anything will.

    Furthermore, the whole idea is predicated off the notion that we have overpopulation, which is a total lie. It runs completely opposite to forecasts which show a declining population due to birthrate. Not even the turd-world boom will last forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hooked View Post
    Yes, people on welfare should be limited to one child paid for. Do that and they wont have so many babies. They should be able to have as amny kids as they want, but I dont want to pay for their lack of planning.
    People on welfare shouldn't even be allowed 1. If you can't afford it, you can't have it.

    Personally I think people should be limited to 2, that way you are only replacing yourself.
    Quote Originally Posted by Drakhar View Post
    Honestly though I'd be amazed if the xpac took that long, even taking Blizzard's soon(tm) into consideration. If it doesn't come out before October it means there are some serious issues behind the scenes and it's time to abandon ship like an Italian cruiseliner captain.

  10. #490
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    No absolutely not. There should however be a limit to economic benefits from having multiple children. One should not be able to make a career out of child birth. Let's call it...diminishing returns

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    Education is often the best way to stop people having babies, not just in sex education but giving them wider horizons for careers. They are more often than not less inclined to have a baby before they have made a life for themselves.

    Unlike fat spongers who pop out sproggs to keep the money coming in because they have got fuck all else to do.

  12. #492
    Quote Originally Posted by Jevlin View Post
    No absolutely not. There should however be a limit to economic benefits from having multiple children. One should not be able to make a career out of child birth. Let's call it...diminishing returns
    That would involve cutting welfare which means cries of "DATS WACIST" from liberals.

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    Yes, absolutely.

    The earth cannot possibly sustain this kind of population growth.

    World-wide: 2 children per household.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalis View Post
    Not finding-a-cock-on-your-girlfriend-is-normal level of odd, but nevertheless, still odd.

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    Not a limit, a license. People should need to get a parenting license before having kids.

  15. #495
    Quote Originally Posted by docterfreeze View Post
    Not a limit, a license. People should need to get a parenting license before having kids.
    And since a child can be procured by basic biology, how would this law for licenses be enforced?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rukentuts View Post
    And since a child can be procured by basic biology, how would this law for licenses be enforced?
    Think you've touched upon the real problem here.

    Whats stopping people getting pregnant anyway? What are you gonna do after? Go round aborting babies?
    Or sterilizing people when they are born, that's dangerous territory.

  17. #497
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rukentuts View Post
    And how exactly does population cause these already existing environmental issues? It's the industry in developed / developing nations that is causing this environmental crisis, not the fact there are 7 billion people on the Earth.
    Because by saying it's an issue of population control it leaves them off the hook seeing as how noone asks to be born,and noone is seriously proposing a culling of this supposed excess population which may include them. Further, banging the "population out of control" drum, rather than an inefficient consumption and distribution of resources, disavows them off any life style choices. Far better, in their minds, to say "too many people" harming the environment and draining resources rather than "my lifestyle and own actions are the problem". It's a moot issue though, not one person who advocates population control has proposed a sensible framework for it's enforcement, and it's just an abstraction to be waved about to reinforce some vague ideology.

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    As long you can protect them, no
    Why limit it ? If your wife can endure giving birth more than 2, I want 11 as football team (on serious note we will have 2 only)

  19. #499
    Quote Originally Posted by Toxigen View Post
    Yes, absolutely.

    The earth cannot possibly sustain this kind of population growth.

    World-wide: 2 children per household.
    The only countries with "this kind of population growth" are the ones that aren't going to care/be able to do anything/agree with you. The rest of us need to boost growth. All industrialised nation is at subreplacement fertility rates - the US I think is either the only exception, or only growing due to immigration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Incredibale View Post
    That would involve cutting welfare which means cries of "DATS WACIST" from liberals.
    Yes cutting welfare to those who have made "Not doing squat shit" into a career...that would be horrible.

    Let them cry all they want. Hopefully they'll drown in their own tears.

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