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    Sexism at the border

    Here's the link to the story: http://rabble.ca/news/2013/04/sexism...rsonal-account

    What do you do when you're detained by powerful officials, everything you say is presumed deceptive, arbitrary "evidence" is held against you, and you're treated like a moral deviant? And what if its 2013, you're a woman, and the "evidence" is that you possess condoms?
    It happened three times in two weeks -- being detained by U.S. border officials on my way to or through the States.
    First I was held by Vermont border guards for two hours in the middle of the night on my way to visit Nashville. They searched my bags at least five times. I could not help but notice how often my lingerie and “sexy underwear” were mentioned, how often the condoms they found were looked upon scathingly, and how most of the four male officers’ questions pertained to both. I was baffled as to why this was any of their business and unsure of what their objective was, other than fondling lady’s undergarments. In the end, having nothing to go on, they gave me a limited stay visa of two weeks and let me go – at 3am in the middle of nowhere. I missed my bus and my plane, had to pay for a $90 taxi to the nearest airport and then book a new flight the next morning.

    The next time it happened was two weeks later in Montreal's airport. After scanning my passport, without being asked a single question, I was immediately led to a back waiting room. When I was summoned into an office, the officer cut to the chase: "How much is he paying you to go on this trip?" He was referring to the man I was travelling with.
    Confused, I just stared back at him for a few beats.
    "N-nothing?"
    The next question was whether this man was married or not. The answer, unfortunately for me, was yes. He asked whether I was planning on sharing a hotel bed with this man. I'm not one to sugar coat things and decided that now would not be a particularly good time to be found lying. Again, I answered yes. Righteous, the officer demanded what exactly I was doing in a bed with a married man.
    "That's actually none of your business."
    I had kicked the hornet's nest. Inflamed, he raised his voice at me that it was his business and that adultery was a crime in America -- a crime that he could deny me entry for. He made me tell him my partner's name and date of birth and threatened to detain him, too. I pointed out that we would be in Miami for a total of forty minutes to catch our next flight to Aruba; hardly enough time to run to our gate, let alone commit adultery. The next thing I knew he was searching my bags, pulling out condoms and waving them in my face.
    "I could have you charged with being a working girl! The proof is right here!"
    All I could do is shake my head. This can't be real.
    "This is absurd," I murmured. But he was on a roll.
    "You want me to call his wife? I'll tell her!"
    I raised an eyebrow at him.
    "She knows."
    He stormed off again, leaving me shaking. When he finally emerged from an office, he held my passport and tickets in hand. He told me he was letting me go "this time" because I had told the truth. But that I was an educated woman and should change my life to reflect that. I blinked at him.
    "What?"
    He looked at me meaningfully and repeated himself. I nodded, eyes downcast as if I was taking his moralizing into serious consideration, and took my documents. I was afraid that he would change his mind otherwise. Later, after a very short internet search, I found that adultery isn’t illegal in Florida, and even if I had been paid for the trip, mixing sexual and non-sexual activities constitutes a relationship and therefore makes any money exchanged a very legal gift under the law. Traveling together to Aruba to get away from cold Montreal, I would think, signals a non-sexual activity.
    A few days in the sun later, it was time to face the same routine but in the Aruban airport. Again, I would be spending all of an hour in Miami’s international airport and then carrying on to my home in Montreal. This time I had left the condoms behind. But it was too late – there was a detailed profile of me, in which my nefarious condom-carrying behaviour was noted. Again, I was told to sit and wait for further questioning.
    I watched as my entire flight's passengers whizzed through customs in front of me. I was shaking. By the time someone got around to questioning me, I was told my flight was leaving.
    I was detained, yelled at, patted down, fingerprinted, interrogated, searched, moved from room to room and person to person without food, water or being told what was going on for what seemed like forever. Just as I thought they were tiring of me and going to refuse me entry but at least let me back into Aruba, a ‘Bad Cop’ type took me to a distant, isolated office and yelled at me that I was full of shit. He had found information online that in the last couple of years I had been modelling and acting. This, he concluded, was special code for sex work, and I was never going to enter the U.S.A. ever again. I tried not to laugh and cry at the same time. I told him I'm currently writing a book on the sociology of sexual assault.
    "Are you looking to be sexually assaulted?"
    I blinked at him. I couldn't breathe.
    "Was that meant to be funny?"
    "No, it wasn't."
    "Ah, no. I'm definitely not."
    "Well, it sure seems like you are."
    "... How so?"
    He wouldn't elaborate.
    I was with the U.S. officials for six hours. After two more hours put through the wringer with Aruban immigration, I was finally let go back into Aruba. I was told that if I even so much as approached the U.S. border again without a waiver I would be banned from the country for five years. My partner and I, both shaken, had to book a new flight to Canada that didn’t pass through the U.S. (approximately $900) and a hotel for an extra two days until that flight.
    For me, carrying my own condoms (in purses, wallets, camera bags; everywhere) is a routine act towards safer sex. For someone else with the power to not only deny passage but judge, moralize and intimidate, it has become enough evidence to put a woman through hell. My story has brought a number of women out of the woodwork stating that they have had similar experiences.
    Whether border guards are copying police in New York and their condoms-as-evidence-of-prostitution model, or are simply so stuck in their gender stereotyping that a woman with condoms can’t be a good person (“We’ve been told that there’s nothing good about you,” said one Aruban official), I’m also not sure.
    I do know I won’t be travelling for some time, until my name is cleared. Or until the puritanical, power-tripping, slut-shaming witch hunt is over. I won’t hold my breath for either.
    Proud to be a 'Murican. I can't say a part of me is surprised that this happened. I will confess, though, that after read "Adultery is a crime in this country..." line, I lost my shit. It took me a while to contain myself.
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    This sounds kind of unreal to me. I don't really believe the account.

    Also if the person were detained three times in such short succession, possibly her name was on the watch list?
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    Pretty good story. I doubt this is 100% legit. Just from reading it I can see some exaggerations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theredviola View Post
    Here's the link to the story: http://rabble.ca/news/2013/04/sexism...rsonal-account



    Proud to be a 'Murican. I can't say a part of me is surprised that this happened. I will confess, though, that after read "Adultery is a crime in this country..." line, I lost my shit. It took me a while to contain myself.
    Sounds like she has a mighty law suit on her hands. They are citing false information and causing emotional harm. If she cared to, she very well may be able to win the case with little effort. So long as there are recordings of her interrogation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathandira View Post
    *Mental Note: Insist that any interrogation I must suffer, be recorded**
    Better yet, ask for a lawyer before answering anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aelayah View Post
    Better yet, ask for a lawyer before answering anything.
    In most cases as long as you put on a smile and answer what they ask you seriously, you get sent on your way in minutes. I'd only ask for a lawyer if I was seriously worried I was going to be mistreated. Besides, I don't think non-US citizens get to demand an attorney at the US border the way US citizens would.

    I've been stopped at the border for extra screening 3 times now. The most recent time was 3 weeks ago. The guy just asked me a few questions, chit chatted with me about unrelated stuff, took a brief glance through my bag, and sent me on my way. He was even a bit apologetic for taking my time, even to the point of obsequiousness.
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    Or a yawing hole in a battered head
    And the scuppers clogged with rotting red
    And there they lay I damn me eyes
    All lookouts clapped on Paradise
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reeve View Post
    Also if the person were detained three times in such short succession, possibly her name was on the watch list?
    A watchlist for what exactly? "People who might have sex for purposes other than procreation"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masark View Post
    A watchlist for what exactly? "People who might have sex in positions other than missionary"?
    Could be someone who shares her name had been indicted for prostitution in the past or something like that. It's the only possible explanation I can think of for why three separate border agents would all react in such a way. Even then, it doesn't sound reasonable to me. I've been through US customs a half a hundred times, and the story just doesn't sound real. One incident? Sure maybe there's an isolated dickhead out there. Three? I doubt it.
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    'Twas a cutlass swipe or an ounce of lead
    Or a yawing hole in a battered head
    And the scuppers clogged with rotting red
    And there they lay I damn me eyes
    All lookouts clapped on Paradise
    All souls bound just contrarywise, yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aelayah View Post
    Better yet, ask for a lawyer before answering anything.
    Even better indeed.

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    Sooo, she's a hooker? I'll admit, I only read about 1/4 of it because it was so absurd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TradewindNQ View Post
    Sooo, she's a hooker? I'll admit, I only read about 1/4 of it because it was so absurd.
    Everyone is a hooker. The only difference is what methods of payment you accept.

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    Well you can be frank and yell to the police saying: "SO YOU'RE SAYING I'M A HOOKER?! JUST BECAUSE YOU LIKE TO GET HOOKERS DOESN'T MEAN EVERYONE ELSE DO IT!" and report him to his superiors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masark View Post
    Everyone is a hooker. The only difference is what methods of payment you accept.
    Simmer down Aristotle!

    very true though...
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    Promiscuity is gross.

    Everyone has different criteria, and what they consider to be okay in a sexual partner or friend.

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    Well you can be frank and yell to the police saying: "SO YOU'RE SAYING I'M A HOOKER?! JUST BECAUSE YOU LIKE TO GET HOOKERS DOESN'T MEAN EVERYONE ELSE DO IT!" and report him to his superiors
    Yeah, she's a woman, she could sue the clowns for sexual harassment and get them fired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speaknoevil View Post
    Promiscuity is gross.

    Everyone has different criteria, and what they consider to be okay in a sexual partner or friend.
    Promiscuity is gross by YOUR standard. But you ask the world to hold the same standards. That is simply being self important. You have the right to choose your own friends and sexual partners. What others do, is ABSOLUTLY NONE OF YOUR BUISNESS.

    By extension. It's nobody's buisness if you chose to carry around an entire BDSM toy set in your luggage across the world. And if they check you at the airport, those items should be treated just like every single other ubiquitous item.

    For exemple I'm sexually very promisquos, unless I happen to be in a relationship, when I tend to be very loyal. But I respect every choice others might make.

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    Border people are assholes. I was detained for 2 hours without an explanation on both sides over the past summer. What a joke

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    It honestly sounds like the beginning to a book to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihalik View Post
    Promiscuity is gross by YOUR standard.
    Yup.

    But you ask the world to hold the same standards.
    Nope.

    You have the right to choose your own friends and sexual partners.
    And I'm much more comfortable putting my tongue in people who I trust, a trust I wouldn't be able to have for someone who approaches sex casually, and is a much higher risk for my health.

    What others do, is ABSOLUTLY NONE OF YOUR BUISNESS.
    It becomes by business when the topic is discussed on an open forum, where opinions are expressed, or if someone is a part of my life.

    By extension. It's nobody's buisness if you chose to carry around an entire BDSM toy set in your luggage across the world. And if they check you at the airport, those items should be treated just like every single other ubiquitous item.
    I'm just going to assume this was a lucky guess, and you aren't spying on me.

    For exemple I'm sexually very promisquos, unless I happen to be in a relationship, when I tend to be very loyal. But I respect every choice others might make.
    Ew.

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    I don't feel sorry for her, just a hooker craving for attention.
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