Poll: I can't let GC get away with that last blue post! Did you enjoy ToC? Favorite bosses?

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  1. #161
    It was a horrible raid but that doesn't mean the actual boss encounters were bad... In fact they were all pretty good. The reason I hate TOC is because the raid zone is basically 1 room.... That's ok for individual boss encounters such as Malygos or Onyxia but placing an entire raid tier in 1-2 small rooms (and the 5 man too) is just boring.

  2. #162
    OP thinks ToC was not just good, but better than BoT. Clearly your tastes are questionable at best. T11 was one of the greatest tiers ever, and T9 was the absolute worst tier ever.

  3. #163
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    I actually enjoyed this raid loads, but that might have alot to do with being in a great guild with great people at the time. so memories in here were awesome

    However, i will admit that every forum ive read appears to slate ToC alot and the forum consensus is that it sucked hard... so what forums did GC actually read to think forums all love the hell out of ToC?

    Goes to show just how out of touch GC is tbh...

  4. #164
    That raid was trash. I enjoy reharshed ZG more than it.

  5. #165
    Quote Originally Posted by Auberdeen View Post
    After reading the new blue notes, I ran across this and it just pissed me off to be honest:
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    -ToC was awesome because it stood on the integrity of it's encounter design. It was a minimalist approach that worked.
    I thought the encounters were well crafted. Overall the raid was not popular though. New art and architecture are important
    -Faction Champs was still one of the coolest encounters I've ever done though.
    I liked it personally, but it was less popular with players not used to dealing with no aggro, interrupts, CC and the like.
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    GC, may I ask where you are getting your data from? I and practically every person I have ever spoken with, whether it be in-game, IRL friends, forums etc LOVED ToC, especially ToGC! The idea of being in a coliseum with your Faction Leader staring down upon you to engage in a no-trash, head on bout is, tbh, flipping awesome! Than to be able to do hard modes? WHAT?! dude. shit was baller status.
    I didn't know a single person who liked it from my 2 25man raiding guilds back then. Honestly you are the first person I've heard that has said they liked it. The lack of trash made the raid less annoying, but the lack of bosses and the existence of faction champs made it horribly dull imo.

  6. #166
    I loved the lack of trash and the boss encounters. I was surprised that so many people disliked ToC. I saw having it all in one room as an advantage as i didnt have to trudge through a long dungeon week after week. Some people like the scenery, some dont. As for number of bosses, it was certainly a small tier compared to Ulduar and ICC. But we've had DS since, which was hardly any longer.
    Last edited by dexx; 2013-04-08 at 04:21 AM.

  7. #167
    It followed what was one of the best raids(Ulduar) ever. ToC was ok, but compared to Ulduar and ICC, it was practically an instance. Heck, most instances are longer/bigger/better than ToC.
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    I bet some of the people voting they disiliked it .. don't even know what raid ToGC was.

    It was a well made raid, with well made bosses in a place and style I always liked ( arena challenges ).

    I like it , not loved it but surely not hated like some extreme guy here claim to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justforthis123 View Post
    I bet some of the people voting they disiliked it .. don't even know what raid ToGC was.

    It was a well made raid, with well made bosses in a place and style I always liked ( arena challenges ).

    I like it , not loved it but surely not hated like some extreme guy here claim to do.
    TogGC was fucking awful as well

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    Put it this way lore wise:

    Ok, so we are going to assault Icecrown Citadel, but first, let's make an arena for practice.

    Sigh.

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    No one in my guild liked ToC. It was horrible, boring and had one decent encounter: Anub'arak. A raid without trash sucks (that is my personal opinion - I like trash it lets you relax between boss kills and fool around a little), furthermore everything in the same boring circular room didn't help. The tier design was also one of the worst in the history of the game. However, I did like that Horde and Alliance had different looking gear.

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    I remember how Blizzard proudly presented ToC;"Not one, but TWO Jormungars!"..

    It made me facepalm so hard seeing the lack of creativity and work put in this whole patch.

  13. #173
    I quite liked it, but it certainly wasn't enough to be a "Raiding Tier".

    ~3 hours per week of raiding, really? On average, I could complete it in about 30 mins per mode, 45 if something went wrong. One of the most boring patches they ever gave us, alongside the months of Dragon Soul there was to endure. It also made Ulduar obsolete long before the majority of raiders had completed it, which was something I absolutely hated as our guild had only gotten to General Vezax by the time they released it.

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    Overall, in my opinion, it was a horrible burn out of a raid. Doing it both in 10 and 25 man on normal and heroic in a single week, for multiple weeks, led to my, and i am sure many others, burn out of the game. No trash and only 5 bosses, which can be killed in an hour or less, becomes too monotonous.

    Now the boss fights were pretty fun though. My favorite in there is either Jaraxxus or Twin Valks. I didn't much care for Faction Champs. If I wanted to pretend I was PvPing I would go do EotS.

    It felt like a rushed raid, lazy with the armor looking the same for all 4 armor classes, and just boring being stuck in one room for most of the time. Being wedged in between Ulduar and ICC didn't help it any either.

  15. #175
    Odd. I think ToC had one of the best boss encounters overall with the Faction Champions. It was very different and for non-PvP players, it did take a while to learn the fight but I think it was a very brave and interesting encounter. One that I have been looking for in terms of fighting against a group of characters rather than just the one or two as the norm we get.

    As for no trash, I recall people were complaining about trash packs in past raids and so Blizzards listen and gave us a raid without trash. The raid designs met its objective in response to what some players were asking for, a raid with no trash.

  16. #176
    @OP:
    I think you're going to break down everyone's opinion and say that they're invalid arguements. People have voted, ToC and ToGC were crap instances. It was the first time I ever took a break because Ulduar was such a blast and the following tier was really not that great. The bosses, like GC said in his blue post, were well done, but the overall experience, in my opinion, was not up there.

  17. #177
    Quote Originally Posted by HeatherRae View Post
    It probably didn't help that I did it an average of 10+ times a week.
    This right here was the problem with ToC.

    Every Week, you'd have to do it like 4 times (per alt) to maximise point gains.

    I think a ToC esque instance would complement a tier nicely. Something like OS or Magtheridon where it's meant to be a short, sweet instance, and not the heart of a tier.

    If they pushed a ToC esque raid alongside a 8-12-boss full-on raid, I would not complain. (as long as it was one lockout a week, of course.)

    EDIT: poll: Faction Champs 10m was pretty awesome. I enjoy actually getting to use a lot of utility to win a boss instead of relying on tank and spank.

  18. #178
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    I loved all bosses, except for twins.

    But instance itself was horrible. Worst instance ever. It is not about quality of boss encounters, its about all bosses being stuffed in same room with no trash packs between them and 4 modes on separate lockouts. Small number of bosses and no trash made instance fast.

    What do people do when they run out of things to kill? They do alt raids. Then they get burned out and start hating that raid. 4 modes + smallest raid tier ever resulted in huge burnout among raiders, which made ToC the worst raid ever.

  19. #179
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    what is the first thing most people think as fast they come into a raid? start to complain about the trash, the trash is fucking boring..

    and we got a raid without trash, and people complain about that, and ofc hate it for some stupid reason, i think you shuld complain about somthing else instead..


    and tbh, i loved toc, i did all 4 of them at current time and had a blast every single week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auberdeen View Post
    After reading the new blue notes, I ran across this and it just pissed me off to be honest:
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    -ToC was awesome because it stood on the integrity of it's encounter design. It was a minimalist approach that worked.
    I thought the encounters were well crafted. Overall the raid was not popular though. New art and architecture are important
    -Faction Champs was still one of the coolest encounters I've ever done though.
    I liked it personally, but it was less popular with players not used to dealing with no aggro, interrupts, CC and the like.
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    GC, may I ask where you are getting your data from? I and practically every person I have ever spoken with, whether it be in-game, IRL friends, forums etc LOVED ToC, especially ToGC! The idea of being in a coliseum with your Faction Leader staring down upon you to engage in a no-trash, head on bout is, tbh, flipping awesome! Than to be able to do hard modes? WHAT?! dude. shit was baller status.

    If I am not mistaken, the idea of the Brawlers Guild is somewhat of a 1man variation(with no end boss of course) of ToC, is it not? Yes, Brawlers Guild provides random mobs, but the foundation is very similar.

    ToC brought out the inner badass in you, like watching Maximus Decimus Meridius in Gladiator, Achilles slay Hector in Troy, and similar to the feeling late in FF7 when you can do that gladiator style battling to see how far you can go for rewards.

    So, community, did you like ToC, did you not like it? Who was your favorite boss? I don't usually post threads about pointing a finger at GC whom I highly respect, but I couldn't let that post go, it made me pound my desk and my goldfish got scared : /
    thats some mighty ancedotal evidence as every person i have ever talked to has HATED toc.
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