Pve Raiding

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Been Worgen since cata now and i just dont wanna be it anymore but then i dont wanna loose the 1% and darkflight and i have been thinking about change to a pandaren what do you think?

[Mormolyce]

Darkflight can be handy depending on your class but the 1% like all racials is so small it's basically unnoticeable. I believe the Pandaren racial is technically superior anyway?

Pick a class you like, not the one with the "best" racial.

[Deleted]

Ye thanks for the answer Panda female seems nice

[Darkfriend]

It's a DPS loss.

[Requiel]

It's a DPS loss.

this and also if you die as a panda you loose your racial bonus.

[Firebert]

Been Worgen since cata now and i just dont wanna be it anymore but then i dont wanna loose the 1% and darkflight and i have been thinking about change to a pandaren what do you think?

Switch to a race that has a 1% weapon Expertise bonus for you (Human) or a Draenei for 1% hit then.

It doesn't really matter.

[cFortyfive]

Switch to a race that has a 1% weapon Expertise bonus for you (Human) or a Draenei for 1% hit then.

It doesn't really matter.

Except that 1% crit is 600 rating and 1% expertise is 340 rating.
€: Err 600 of course

[Firebert]

Except that 1% crit is 640 rating and 1% expertise is 340 rating.

But Expertise is required to cap, whereas crit isn't.

[esoterickk]

But Expertise is required to cap, whereas crit isn't.

Irrelevant. Caps are easily reachable without the need for a racial bonus (more so as the tier progresses, higher iLvl gear with bigger stat budgets and the excess of hit/expertise on gear at the moment). The Crit is purely a bonus.

Even so, in my current gear I have Expertise at 6.01 when uncapped and Crit at 3.61.

340 x 6.01 = 2043.4
600 x 3.61 = 2166

Crit wins out in that situation (at least for my gear). Worgen is a better choice.

[Darkfriend]

But Expertise is required to cap, whereas crit isn't.

Why are you still giving (bad) advice here?

for warriors, Worgen is the strongest PVE alliance race. Orc for horde. Anyone who says otherwise is an idiot.

[Firebert]

The Crit is purely a bonus.

They're both bonuses. Useless statement.

[Mataru]

But Expertise is required to cap, whereas crit isn't.

That doesn't matter, once you cap expertise (which you definitely will, even in blue gear) any extra will basically be reforged to mastery, which crit beats point for point up until extreme BiS gear level, and even then 600 crit is still better than 340 mastery.

Worgen is the best race for alliance warriors.

[Firebert]

for warriors, Worgen is the strongest PVE alliance race. Orc for horde. Anyone who says otherwise is an idiot.

Night Elf 2% miss chance says hi.

[Mataru]

Obviously we are talking about dps, otherwise we wouldn't be discussing crit.

[Firebert]

Obviously we are talking about dps, otherwise we wouldn't be discussing crit.

Obviously he failed to define his statement, then. He's clearly talking about all warriors.

[Darkfriend]

Obviously he failed to define his statement, then. He's clearly talking about all warriors.

You can infer that he's talking about DPS, based on talking about crit. Worgen is still the best alliance for DPS, orc for horde, for warriors. Please stop giving bad advice and just leave.

[Firebert]

You can infer that he's talking about DPS, based on talking about crit.

I'd finished talking to him. Now I'm talking to you.

[esoterickk]

Obviously he failed to define his statement, then. He's clearly talking about all warriors.

Arguing for the sake of arguing. Giving terrible, incorrect advice. Nothing else.

[Sinnermighty]

Firebert's posts about warriors are wrong pretty much all the time.

Anyways like others have said it, Worgen is the best racial for Alliance & Orc for Horde. For DPS

[Recke]

I'd finished talking to him. Now I'm talking to you.

Since you seem to be full of bad ideas, let me talk to you about some.

1% Crit = 600 rating.
1% Expertise= 340 rating.
1% Hit= 340 rating.
With reforging, you want as much value as you can get from stats. Thus, 600 rating > 340 rating, regardless of how you look at it, and more since Crit is high stat weight and doesn't have a reachable cap.

And, since we are talking about all warrior classes, you say 2% avoidance on a Nightelf is the best? I'd argue, at least at most gear values, 1% Expertise (or 1% hit to 7.5%) to reach 15% hard cap can outweigh 2% avoidance since it allows you to shield barrier which can be used to mitigate aoe/magic damage. Avoidance vs Damage Reduction is a case by case basis. Care to argue logically? So, not only did you inform them incorrectly on dps class, but even in your rude retort to Darkf(R)iend, you weren't accurate either.
EDIT: being less fiendish.