Originally Posted by
Viromand
I hope you are talking about Tortos hc cause nh you should never die except you are at 485 ilvl or somethin like that. Did you really die from snapping bite all the time or bite + something else. And if you know guardians are RNG on that fight and you struggled with it why do you invite another guardian pug.
And Arielle is absolutely right, so is kaiadam.
You cant compare hardcore raiding with most raiding guilds. I totally get why kaiadam changed to monk, but he raids with a undergeared raid maybe even have to drop a healer to meet beserk or make some parts of the fight easier. Was the tactic they used easier with a monk? probably. They would have made small changes if he tanked as a bear, and still managed to kill jikun hc, migh have taken a bit more tries but i am very confident they would have killed it anyway. Most guilds will have much better gear on every raider in 25s once they try jikun, which may result in maybe taking an aditional healer, maye three tanks i dont know. Most people have LMGs now, more Tf items especially in 25s. Top raiding 25s druids are behind the other tanks but its still possible, and top raiding guild want to kill the boss asap, switching tanks dps or heal from tier to tier to get the best Raidcomp is normal while progressraiding.
In 10m its a totally different story, last tier druids were op on some hc fights, now some other classes are op other fights. most fights need two tanks, so you still ahve another one (maybe not if you have two druids). In 10m tank dps is a much higher amount of the total dmg done, and druids do alot of dps and they dont even need that high vengeance uptime. And thats why most 10s think druids are fine. If other tankclasses would be so OP that you wouldnt be able to kill the boss if you dont have both of these specs than they would do something like they always have.
We finally got a Protpala, and he MTs most of the fights, and i love how druids work now, beeing very stong OT in 10m, think its sad they nerfed thrash dot not proccing NV, but still using HotW, if tanking then pop Incarnation or beserk and almost needin no heal in that time and doing alot of dps, using tranq using ToC to lower the dmg on the other tank, having a strong selfheal on some fights is really strong maybe not as strong as absorbs from some classes but still. Symbiosis for tanks or someone else. giving Healing touch to our mage was one of the reasons we didnt have any problems during transitions while fighting leishen. Plus druids are the class with the highest passive Magic and melee mitigation
I think thats how you play guardian if you dont like it you should reroll. Druids are totally viable on all fights, some classes are better on some fights, but for 95% of the raiding guilds can kill every boss with a bear, i play druid since vanilla still if i had the time and motivation to raid in a guild like kaiadam does i would reroll too or atleast get a toon monk pala or you something like that if i would have too. And if druids would become a bit better than monk he would reroll on his druid
On horridon trust me unless you are a protpala picking up adds is a pain for all classes if you have hunter and maybe a balancedruid that really helps but i think we outperform wariors monks and are equal with dks , we have low cd cleaves, ff, a long range charge, short range charge, vortex. not saying it is easy and a protpala heal aggro is totally insane sometimes.
On primordius, not 100% certain but the raidhealing affect from protpalas ist not that much stronger than good timed NV if your RL wanted more raidhealing it would have been alot better to exchange the Warrior with the tankadin. and 4% lessdmg is alot especially cause we selfheal alot too, so i think it was the wrong choice, and since the stacking debuff on primordius is applied while beeing meleed a druid takes less stacks then a other classes (we taunt each time the other tanks stacks dropped and i always have alot less then the other tanks and i tanked it nh with erveryone except monk).
EDIT: Btw i wanted to know if the FR glyph also raises the absorbs from shields (monkshield, priest...). which would help alot on fights like horridon while tanking or maybe even jikun. Maybe they will give a boni next tier that 50% of our overheal with FR is transformed into a shield i dont know. Or make ToC buff stack up twice to get a stronger absorb with one maul. These will not make us op but help alot especially in 25s. Or add to mastery that ToC gets buffed with mastery, %of our heal shields us, or as someone wrote adding a small effect on SD for hits like jikun or horridon which you cant dodge. Cause our mastery is really bad, if you compare it to other tank mastery its even worse.