Why does everyone hate LFR?

[Ghostpanther]

Everyone seems to hate LFR. Yet everyone does it... If it's that bad don't do it. I think LFR is good for players who...
1) dont have time to do the content with a guild/PuG
2) want to experience the content in an easier quicker fashion
3) need to learn how to raid
I do LFR and don't have any problems with it.

"Everyone" does not hate LFR. The loud whiners always get a lot of attention. It is good for what it was intended for. Casual players get to experience end game content and be rewarded with better loot than they can get otherwise. If a player really hates it, the solution is simple...do not do it. There are parts of the game I hate and therefor I do not do that content.

[Banzhe]

Everyone seems to hate LFR. Yet everyone does it... If it's that bad don't do it. I think LFR is good for players who...
1) dont have time to do the content with a guild/PuG
2) want to experience the content in an easier quicker fashion
3) need to learn how to raid
I do LFR and don't have any problems with it.

Everyone does it, because it's a joke with easy upgrades coming into a new expansion, or even just a new tier for the majority.., don't be so naive!
It's the same reason their suddenly giving tokens for pet battles, or tying usable PvE items into challenge mode dungeons, and heroic scenario's soon to come with better then lfr items.., if something clearly wouldn't work without substantial reward in the form of currency or items, it would be "dead" in the water, pet battles and challenge modes was both clear examples of that.

No one, with the exception of those few really not having the time for organised raiding or pugs, would use lfr if it wasn't for the easy items / currency awarded, the feature is pure dog shit that they attempted to spray with a gold colour, and then wave their banner; We've created something truly amazing!

The main issue from where I see it, is that blizzard isn't designing good content any more, as their "solution" to anything, is to open the flood gates with currency and items.
It's not that people enjoy the majority of content, they just do it because everything is being tied into lfr or raiding.., ask me, they should swap the entire team currently making the decisions for this game!

[Deleted]

I truly hate LFR, much as I truly hate Dailys, yet i'm forced to do both.
Oh, Yes I am, before someone with a stick up their arse comments "No you don't have to! It's your choice, do whatever you want!"
I'm a raider, I raid, while not top 10 in the world, on a fairly hardcore level, For this to work I need to min-max my gear, this is done through LFR and dailies (for the coins)
I need to keep my alts up to date, and so on and so forth.
Now, for more specific reasons as to why I hate LFR in particular.
1. People suck. Healers don't heal, DPSers don't DPS and tanks have one hand up their arse and the other one around their member. It's very disheartening to wipe 6 times to Durumu the forgotten because a big beam of death is too hard to avoid, further more wiping to enrage timers because the top DPSer is doing 80k is... I have no words.
2. It's a snoozefest, there's no challenge in LFR itself, the difficulty comes into play with the 24 other mouthbreathers in the raid.
3. As previously mentioned, I'm forced to do it. I don't like to do it, I don't want to do it, but I have to do it.

As for final words, yet again an answer to the people thinking "Well it's your choice, you want to raid on that level, you do what you have to!" Well, sure. I had to farm mountains of consumables for raids in vanilla, I had to get resistance gear and attunements in TBC, but really that was fine, because I could do it with my friends/guild mates. Now i'm stuck with 24 people I don't know, don't care to know and the only feeling I have while doing it is "Why do I have to be tormented like this because hillbilly#19652 wants to see what the new raid looks like and stand in every single pool of fire he can find while he's at it?"
There you go, rant ended.

[Binary Speaker]

I love LFR. Mainly due to the LFR heroes; the people in full normal or heroic raid gear queueing up and linking meters every 10 seconds while talking shit on that 463 geared dps who just got the Ilvl and 90 yesterday. Seriously these guys could kill a critter mid raid and link the meters while stroking their E-peen. Its hilarious to me.

[thedingleberry]

It actually takes me longer to run LFR raids on one toon that it takes me to do my weekly guild raiding. 45 min queue time per wing + 1.5 hours to clear the wing + another 45 min queue per wing if you have to queue twice because you got put into a group not on the first boss. This is about 3 hours per wing. That's 12 hours a week to clear all 4 wings. We only raid normal mode for about 9 hours a week.

Add to that the fact that each wipe is stupid because no one learns from their mistakes, and people leave constantly meaning you have new people coming in that have no idea how to do the fight.

People don't realize that LFR is nothing like normal raiding. It is true and utter punishment to anyone who cares enough and is an utter embarassment to blizzard for actually putting this in their game to show new people how bad most of the community is at playing their game.

[Rakoth]

As for final words, yet again an answer to the people thinking "Well it's your choice, you want to raid on that level, you do what you have to!" Well, sure. I had to farm mountains of consumables for raids in vanilla, I had to get resistance gear and attunements in TBC, but really that was fine, because I could do it with my friends/guild mates. Now i'm stuck with 24 people I don't know, don't care to know and the only feeling I have while doing it is "Why do I have to be tormented like this because hillbilly#19652 wants to see what the new raid looks like and stand in every single pool of fire he can find while he's at it?"
There you go, rant ended.

If you are "forced" to do it by your guild, then do it with them. I do LFR with the guild I am in every time I can. Their regular raiding team queues up and invites the friends and family members (aka me) to tag along as well. I set my time records with them almost every time and it takes half the time (no including the queue) to complete it.

When you have half the raid (including tanks and 4/6 healers) from the same heroic raiding guild, you can't wipe LFR.

[De Lupe]

I don't hate LFR. I hate the douches inside of it that rage over every mistake, or decide that 522 = 463 and everyone should be pulling out max numbers and people who don't are automatically clueless to what they're doing. THEY are the reason I have yet to go into ToT LFR.

[Deleted]

I rather like LFR when it's fairly early in a cycle, like just now with new wings opening every week or two. Contrary to the negative impressions reported by many in this thread, I find the groups generally good humoured and patient. People try to figure out tactics, learn and improve. It's fun. Yes, there are wipes, but usually the group stays together (thank you determination!) and the boss is defeated.

Later in a cycle, when people assume everyone knows tactics and the quality of the average player queuing falls, it gets worse. People just want a quick zerg for their VPs and become much less tolerant. I've already noticed that happening on the first wing of ToT. If there's a wipe, it must be the collective fault of the "retard dps" or the poor tank with the audacity to want to tank a boss for the first time.

Generally speaking, I find LFR a more interesting and fun way to get VPs than 5 mans or dailies. And, as someone from a slowly progressing guild, it definitely does help prepare for "proper" raiding. The tank dance on Will of the Emperor is perhaps the best example; navigating Durumu's maze would be another. By the time I got to "dance" for real, I was close to flawless.

[Azrile]

People dislike it because you basicaly Derp thru it like a headless chicken. The very 1st boss 'Jin'Rokh' is a perfect example:
Normal
Focused lighting hits a player standing in a pool. Wipes raid.

LFR
Player stands where ever the hell he likes, boss falls over. minor casualties. Loot.

It does not teach people how to raid.
OP's statement covers the majority of why people do LFR



The only viable reason i can add to those 2 are: -It is a brilliant way to test out a new spec, in mycase i play a Dest Lock, i can try out affliction or demo in a Raid-like enviroment.

And you ´elitists´ are why those changes had to be made. LFR is a group of strangers, you cannot have a mechanism in place where 1 player can purposefully wipe a raid..... because then you would get a ton of anti.socials in there doing it. They didn´t remove that mechanism because it was ´too difficult´... they removed it because it was too easy to grief using it. It was the same with crush on Galaron. Galaron wasn´t difficult because nobody could do pheremones correctly, it was difficult because you constantly had a person in normal raid gear causing crushes every 2 seconds on purpose. Once they nerfed that, Galaron was easy because you didn´t have 1 player sabatoging it.

[Deleted]

The problem is that it's full of either new or lazy players who can't be bothered, and they needn't bother because if they wipe it'll get nerfed.

At the other end you have people like me stuck running it because I need the extra gear for the roadblock bosses or to cap VP. I don't want to be there. I endure it. This makes me hostile to the people it's meant for. I've never ever called someone a baddie in LFR (even if I've wanted to) because I don't blame them for me being there. I blame Blizzard for making me need to go there because the normal gear from the last tier doesnt cut it for my whole raid team.

[Shivaji]

It is what it is and while it is not perfect, it is a place that many of us can go to see and experience the content even if it us dumbed down to provide little challenge. It still provides quite a bit of enjoyment at my pace and on my schedule.

[melodramocracy]

I like it.

The gear's good enough, you get to see content on your own schedule, and you get a primer for normal modes if you're going to continue on to those.

I wouldn't be raiding at all if it didn't exist. *shrug*

[Slaughty8]

Everyone seems to hate LFR. Yet everyone does it... If it's that bad don't do it. I think LFR is good for players who...
1) dont have time to do the content with a guild/PuG
2) want to experience the content in an easier quicker fashion
3) need to learn how to raid
I do LFR and don't have any problems with it.

I love LFR. I loved Dungoen finder and LFR is much more fun.
I don't hate LFR, I love it! It is an awesome thing and I and maaaany players I knew, wanted this to happen and here we have it! It is one of the best things ever implement tbh, especially for all those 25man Raid lovers (I am one of them).

1. Exactly
2. 100% true!
3. This and I would add: don't need or just don't have time to master much more complicated fights

[Tziva]

I think LFR is great in concept. It fills a much needed niche and I'm happy it exists for those people who just don't have the time to raid so they have another way to enjoy the content, albeit in a more limited way.

In practice though, LFR is not especially fun. It always ends up being a soup of: assholes yelling at people for making trivial mistakes, griefers trying to wipe the party, a handful of people AFK, people who don't know what to do but don't want to listen to instructions, two elitists spamming the DPS meters and demanding the raid kick particular people, healers who are DPSing because they wanted to cheese the queue and other troublemakers.

If LFR was actually full of earnest people who were enthusiastic to raid or learn how to raid, it would be another issue, but that seems to be seldom the case.

[Ealyssa]

I remember getting called out for my poor dps in MSV LFR, but considering it was a fresh 90 toon...what did people expect? =\

A toon being "fresh" means nothing. I just started from the ground with a few friends on a new servers. One week after hiting 90 we were 470+ and doing good dps in LFR.

LFR have a ilvl requirement for a reason, you are expected to have a minimum dps no matter how "old" your character is. So their can only be two reason to really bad dps in LFR : ilvl cheating (can still be done, for exemple I bought the two pvp trinket because of bad luck in heroics to trick the ilvl, while still doing 60k+ on a blue/green geared enh shaman) or slacking (being bad at this game is something frequent, just today I saw a LFR group chain wiping on Durumu maze phase even with 5x buff).

I don't hate LFR, it is nearly the only raid time I can afford now (used to be an heroic raider). But sometime it's hard to stay calm when you see people in full ~500ilvl without gems/enchant/reforge barelly doing 30k dps. I don't rage, I endure a few wipe and just quit if the group is that randomly bad (can also sometimes have awesome group).

[Nekovivie]

I would fully support LFR in every way if it shared lockout with normal/heroic, since I really felt that higher difficulty raiders should not be compelled to run LFR for extra loot.

[Deleted]

Everyone seems to hate LFR. Yet everyone does it... If it's that bad don't do it. I think LFR is good for players who...
1) dont have time to do the content with a guild/PuG
2) want to experience the content in an easier quicker fashion
3) need to learn how to raid
I do LFR and don't have any problems with it.

I don't like LFR because I find it very boring. But as you said it's good for 1) and 2).
On 3 I strongly disagree. LFR hardly teaches anyone to raid. During DS puging time normals, people who would fuck up mostly were people doing only LFR. People who were there for the first time were better. Why? Because they didn't learn to ignore mechanics which one shot you or hurt you a lot while LFR crowd learned exactly this.

[Deleted]

I think LFR is great in concept. It fills a much needed niche and I'm happy it exists for those people who just don't have the time to raid so they have another way to enjoy the content, albeit in a more limited way.

In practice though, LFR is not especially fun. It always ends up being a soup of: assholes yelling at people for making trivial mistakes, griefers trying to wipe the party, a handful of people AFK, people who don't know what to do but don't want to listen to instructions, two elitists spamming the DPS meters and demanding the raid kick particular people, healers who are DPSing because they wanted to cheese the queue and other troublemakers.

If LFR was actually full of earnest people who were enthusiastic to raid or learn how to raid, it would be another issue, but that seems to be seldom the case.

Even though I hate elitist basterds..atleast they are doing something unlike half the idiots who don't bother listening if you try to explain what to do.

I would fully support LFR in every way if it shared lockout with normal/heroic, since I really felt that higher difficulty raiders should not be compelled to run LFR for extra loot.

This please...I don't get how this never got introduced in the first place.

[Shink]

"Everyone" does not hate LFR. The loud whiners always get a lot of attention. It is good for what it was intended for. Casual players get to experience end game content and be rewarded with better loot than they can get otherwise. If a player really hates it, the solution is simple...do not do it. There are parts of the game I hate and therefor I do not do that content.

Yeah...when it becomes a main part of the game because blizzard refuses to do anything about the empty servers....that becomes a problem

[Shivaji]

Has anyone tried http://openraid.us ?