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  1. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by Kalis View Post
    Pocahontus was buried in the town where I was born, we learnt her story as school children (Disney can go fuck themselves).

    There was some bloke in Cyprus who was about 7 feet tall, he was some sort of redskin, but I forget which tribe he said he was from - if they've got as far as Cyprus, then I'm sure there must be a few left in the US.

    The girl on Banshee is hot.

    I used to be in a guild with a girl who was part redskin (Bod...).

    That pretty much is all I know, or care, about Native Americans - some of the Central and South American cultures are fairly interesting, but I couldn't really give a fuck about people who had barely made it out of the Stone Age by 1500 AD.
    Native Americans were brought to Europe as early as the 11th century

    http://news.discovery.com/history/us...ican-woman.htm

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    Most of the more pure natives stayed with there people, my Grandmother is half Cherokee so I'm 1/8 Native American. You cant really tell unless I let myself get really tanned, though my father is pretty obvious during the summer. They are a pretty reserved people, I mean I talk with my grandma a lot, but she doesnt really talk much of her past, just wants to know more about me and talk about the present really.
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    You don't see them around because they are all chillen on reservations gettin everything paid for just smoking peyote, least thats what they do in oklahoma

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raidenx View Post
    Native Americans were brought to Europe as early as the 11th century

    http://news.discovery.com/history/us...ican-woman.htm
    I don't think they got to Gravesend that early, or they'd have fucked off back home as quickly as possible - Pocahontus thought it was such a shithole that she decided to drop down dead.
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    A lot of them assimilated and were bread out with European immigrants. My Grandma is Cheyenne think she said, and my Grandad is most possibly Cherokee, because his father came off a reservation in Oklahoma in 1912ish.

    There are still A LOT of natives here, living on reservations and so on. Over 300k are Cherokee alone, last time i checked online.

    Kinda crazy how both my grandparents on my mom's side, as well as my mom are either pure 1/2 or 1/3(?) native and i look like i fell off Welshman's wagon on the way to California

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    I actually know a half native, half white girl who's a stunning 9/10

    Great mix of genes

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    Slaughtered.

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    They were conveniently replaced and then the brutality of it "forgotten" about.
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    Well I am taino and spanish. My wife's grandmother was pure blooded Cherokee. There are some around. Most are mixed now however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reeve View Post
    Warlike and violent, dying young?
    That wasn't every tribe. Just a lot.

    OT: I know several Native Americans. They are all over the place if you are in the right areas. Hell, my brother (half-brother, w/e) is 1/4 Blackfoot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vorticough View Post
    There are quite a few of them in Nevada and Arizona, too, I believe.
    Washington as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bakudai View Post
    Indigenous People of North America. Not Native Americans.
    By that token, anytime someone calls a "black" person an "African-American" when they were born here, they are wrong. However that is the accepted term. "African-American" would be someone born in Africa and then came to America after. So, "black" people born in America should be called "Americans of African descent".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asics View Post
    I used to live near the Elwha S'klallam tribe near Port Angeles, WA. I wish I could say it would be worth it to visit the reservation, but it is so dilapidated and many of the people there hold on to old racist mindsets and will hate and discriminate against you if you are not native.

    Not all of the tribe is like that but they are a very vocal minority. I have met some very wonderful tribe members who want to keep the S'klallam language alive and teach the tribes' history but once again, they are a minority.

    The reservation is government housing in the woods for the most part. Garbage everywhere, it is sad.
    Yes, I have been there. Nisquallay Reservation as well, down by Yelm. They are a little better off, but not much. However, then you have the (I think?) Skokomish? Just north of Everette. They are doing quite well with their casinos.

    Point is, even in relatively close geographic regions, these things vary just like any other culture.

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    That said, I even forget that my own 2 oldest kids are 1/16th Cherokee. Again, they look almost completely white. Just some distinctive facial features, i suppose. That said, I am also 1/32 black. I don't look it, but it is there. I guess what I am saying is I could care less about ethnicity, everyone is just a person to me. I really could care less of someone's ethnic background, it won't make me treat you any different.

    I hate it, however, when someone uses their ethnicity to garner an advantage in some way. It goes against my beliefs that everyone is equal.
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  11. #111
    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    To quote a certain vampire:

    "You won! All right? You came in, and you killed them and you took, their land. That's what conquering nations do! That's what Caesar did, he's not going around saying "I came, I conquered, I felt really bad about it"! The history of the world is not people making friends. You had better weapons, you massacred them, end of story!"

    While it was indeed a rather systematic effort to either murder the natives or push them off their land, guilt about it is a little futile; all that can be done is try to end the cycle of poverty that exists amongst some of the remaining tribes.
    Why did you quote a fictional movie that completely ignores that trade between groups has arguably had a bigger impact on the world than conquering?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Booshman View Post
    Why did you quote a fictional movie that completely ignores that trade between groups has arguably had a bigger impact on the world than conquering?
    Because what the quote says is correct; guilt is an exercise in futility in this sort of situation.

    And no, technological and social development follows the sword more often than the ploughshare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Symphonic View Post
    It's like people using the welfare system, but instead of getting out of poverty, they use the assistance for wants instead of needs and do not get out of it. The whole point of Welfare is to provide assistance until you can manage, and then you get off of welfare.
    Making their "riches" by catering to the overall populations' lowest common denominator doesn't indicate success in my books. Of course I speak of the Native American tribes here in the western US where they own casinos. We have forced the worst possible business values on them in order to allow them to feel like they've "succeeded".

    Also the amount of people calling them Indians and Red Skins is a little funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kujako View Post
    They're on TV, offering 200% interest "pay day" loans.
    Those commercials always play twice in a row too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    Because what the quote says is correct; guilt is an exercise in futility in this sort of situation.

    And no, technological and social development follows the sword more often than the ploughshare.
    That just sounds like a poor attempt to justify bad behavior with an "everyone does it" slogan. Which is an outdated and somewhat childish way of thinking. As nations haven't engaged in such practices for centuries. But yet in this period of the constant and peaceful exchange of ideas, there has been development in the world that trumps the development from centuries where conquering was prevalent.

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    I am a half-breed, dad was 1/2 Navajo 1/2 menominee, mother is all polish. Each tribe has it's own reservation if they are "recognized" by the federal government. The differences between reservations is incredible. It has mostly to do with the tribal councils and how effectively they manage the tribes assets. Many of the tribes have casinos and they have been a mixed blessing in most cases. Many went from being dependent on federal welfare and now are dependent on casino royalties, as a result no real change in the standard of living for them. The tribes that pump the profits of the casino back into the tribal infrastructure have turned out way better. A large percentage of us do not live on the reservation and have little to no interaction with them. So we are still around, we do not look like what Hollywood wants us to look like, and you never know when you may end up talking to one.

  17. #117
    Quote Originally Posted by cmennare View Post
    A So we are still around, we do not look like what Hollywood wants us to look like, and you never know when you may end up talking to one.
    But there's Hipsters willing to pay big bucks to watch "us" act like stereotypes. Had I not inherited all the Caucasian physical traits I would totally be at a flea market, dressed like a stereotype selling stuff to hipsters.

    EDIT: I just had the awesomest idea of how to do it too; have a little partially enclosed kiosk, with you sitting at the back painting 'Thunderbird' pictures while sad colonial style music plays in the background, and then you sell the Thunderbird pictures for about 200 bucks a piece as "Authentic Native-American art work". And have goose feathers tied to the handle of the paint brush.

    Because that's clearly what all the purely European descended folks think a Native American should look like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uzi View Post
    This is so bullshit. All the civilizations of their time was extremely violent, especially the Europeans who decimated them in the first place. The two cultures that clashed in America in the 15th and 16th centuries were pretty much equal, the only difference was that the Spanish (and other colonial powers) had gunpowder and horses, thus they were militarily stronger.
    And the Incas weren't the only developed civilization in America. You mention the Aztecs and Mayans as if they were uncivilized and technologically stupid, but it's actually the other way around. Look up something about them, for example the Aztec capital of Tenochtitlán, it's an absolute wonder of architecture.
    Can you safely say to me that everyone on this map was extremely violent?



    I couldn't say that.

    And I disagree, they were not equal (I presume you mean in violence). Yes, the Spanish went and did a genocide, yes, the Aztecs were doing their genocides... but were the Aztecs the only ones around there? No.

    And I mention the Aztecs especially because they lacked things like... wheels. And it may be a wonder of architecture, but in it they killed whatever tribe they catches. They had some kind of football game where the losing team was sacrificed. There was a special event once when 2000 people were sacrificed in 2 days... I mean, I can't say such a nation is civilized. Oh, and I never said the spanish were civilized either, I mean they came and did genocide for land and gold and the gold was used by the king/queen to buy riches and wasted quite quickly.

    I said the Inca were a bit more civilized then the rest because they managed to keep about 20 different cultures united (yes, through some fear, I won't deny that, yes, they did sacrifice the children of other tribesmen especially to keep the fear alive, I won't deny that either) and managed to make up a system in which if a region suffered from hunger because of droughts or something, other regions would share. It was a redistribution of goods similar to more socialist countries today, where they tried their best to keep their people from suffering (well, except the children of local chieftains...). In the meantime, in many countries in Europe, Spain included, the nobles were taking what they could from the poor, sometimes even leaving them to starve, if sometimes there was a drought... bad luck, people died. That's the big difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Booshman View Post
    That just sounds like a poor attempt to justify bad behavior with an "everyone does it" slogan. Which is an outdated and somewhat childish way of thinking. As nations haven't engaged in such practices for centuries. But yet in this period of the constant and peaceful exchange of ideas, there has been development in the world that trumps the development from centuries where conquering was prevalent.
    Oh really? Many if not most of the greatest technological developments in the past century or so have been the result of war; the others have been happening so frequently because technological innovation is an autocatalytic process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    Oh really? Many if not most of the greatest technological developments in the past century or so have been the result of war; the others have been happening so frequently because technological innovation is an autocatalytic process.
    Do you have a different definition of "autocatalytic" than I do? And going to war in this day and age isn't "conquering" like what happened to the Native Americans and like what Caesar (in your earlier quote) did. You're conflating different extremes now.
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