where are all the Native Americans?

[Elegiac]

Do you have a different definition of "autocatalytic" than I do? And going to war in this day and age isn't "conquering" like what happened to the Native Americans and like what Caesar (in your earlier quote) did. You're conflating different extremes now.

You're the one who brought technological innovation into it; if you aren't willing to argue it, don't bring it up.

Furthermore you missed the entire point of the quote I posted. The fact of the matter is that what was done to the natives in America was just another in a long trend of conquests and exterminations throughout human history, and thus guilt over it is a futile gesture; all that can or rather should be done is some degree of restitution and also acknowledgement to try and prevent events of that nature from occurring in future.

[Deleted]

Oh really? Many if not most of the greatest technological developments in the past century or so have been the result of war; the others have been happening so frequently because technological innovation is an autocatalytic process.

Could you just mention a few of that innovations? But before you post it, please, do some research, and you will be suprised, very much suprised.
(Because your statement do not really covers the grim reality.)

[Booshman]

You're the one who brought technological innovation into it; if you aren't willing to argue it, don't bring it up.

Furthermore you missed the entire point of the quote I posted. The fact of the matter is that what was done to the natives in America was just another in a long trend of conquests and exterminations throughout human history, and thus guilt over it is a futile gesture; all that can or rather should be done is some degree of restitution and also acknowledgement to try and prevent events of that nature from occurring in future.

Yeah, nice lie. YOU initially brought it up in post number 114. It wasn't me. See below:

Because what the quote says is correct; guilt is an exercise in futility in this sort of situation.

And no, technological and social development follows the sword more often than the ploughshare.

And me pointing out the flaw in the quote, "Isn't me missing the entire point." The quote itself also doesn't mention anything about not repeating history, it just tries to justify bad behavior by saying "But...but...other people did it toooo!" Nothing about not repeating history. Unless there's much more to the conversation, this is something that you tacked on yourself.

[Elegiac]

Yeah, nice lie. YOU initially brought it up in post number 114. It wasn't me. See below:

And me pointing out the flaw in the quote, "Isn't me missing the entire point."

Which was a response to:

Why did you quote a fictional movie that completely ignores that trade between groups has arguably had a bigger impact on the world than conquering?

You brought up the argument that peacetime innovation outweighs wartime innovation, both social and technological.

[mizeri]

running casinos

[Trassk]

*shrug* there society was wiped out by white people, leaving a tiny portion of them. thats how it worked. nothing more to figure out.

Imagine being native american decent in the modern era and having to hear how your kind were killed off for land. Sure america gets to stand, but hey, it wasn't without blood.

[Gheld]

*shrug* there society was wiped out by white people, leaving a tiny portion of them. thats how it worked. nothing more to figure out.

Imagine being native american decent in the modern era and having to hear how your kind were killed off for land. Sure america gets to stand, but hey, it wasn't without blood.

My kind is doing fine thanks. The majority of them integrated generations ago. I hope more follow and enjoy the prosperity that this society has to offer.

[Chevonne]

My kind is doing fine thanks. The majority of them integrated generations ago. I hope more follow and enjoy the prosperity that this society has to offer.

Just like any other ethnic group in America, we can be proud of where we came from, and still be American.

[Uennie]

Right here. I'm White Creek Cherokee (5%) and Native Hawaiian (45%). WHASSUP SUPER MINORITY.

I'm also Welsh/Portuguese but that's not really the topic at hand.

[Deathpath]

I am a quarter native american and my dad is half and my grandma is full. Their tribe lives on a reservation in canada. i forgot what their tribe is called but i think its the miq maq, some weird shit like that and the language is tough to learn.

[Uennie]

I am a quarter native american and my dad is half and my grandma is full. Their tribe lives on a reservation in canada. i forgot what their tribe is called but i think its the miq maq, some weird shit like that and the language is tough to learn.

Quick someone give this man all the fertile native american women he needs!

[Gheld]

Just like any other ethnic group in America, we can be proud of where we came from, and still be American.

Yeah, there seems to be a lot of misinformation about late Native American history. Or this liberal wet dream that Natives were opposed to modern technology.

But you can go to any museum and see that when the Europeans arrived the Natives were just learning how to work with metals. They like any other culture were always looking to find new ways to make life easier. They were just a few centuries behind. But many Native hunters were quick to trade for muskets and even started producing their own powder and shot.

The reason why the bow was used over the gun in counterinsurgency was because it was a superior ambush weapon.

[Rooflesstoofless]

Here you go.

Infracted. No lgmtfy links please.

this made me lol.

Haskell Indian College was in the same town as the university I went to so there was a fair population of native Americans where I went to school, but rather devoid in the state's population overall. Still many of them on the reservations I've been to.

[khalltusk]

Could you just mention a few of that innovations? But before you post it, please, do some research, and you will be suprised, very much suprised.
(Because your statement do not really covers the grim reality.)

Jet engines came around via world war 2. Nuclear power as a result of the work towards the Atom bomb. Some huge results come off the back of war. Rockets used to send men to the moon were designed and made by a fair few people who made the german rockets (I do believe one of the head people in nasa was a former german scientist for the Nazis). There are many more but also a lot of things made in peace time. A lot of the stuff we have now also comes off the back of military spending as it later comes into the public sector.

As a side note, think about coca cola. They got moved around the world along with the American troops. Where the troops went supplies of cola went with them. Is it a surprise that they are so big these days?

[Deleted]

Jet engines came around via world war 2. Nuclear power as a result of the work towards the Atom bomb. Some huge results come off the back of war. Rockets used to send men to the moon were designed and made by a fair few people who made the german rockets (I do believe one of the head people in nasa was a former german scientist for the Nazis). There are many more but also a lot of things made in peace time. A lot of the stuff we have now also comes off the back of military spending as it later comes into the public sector.

As a side note, think about coca cola. They got moved around the world along with the American troops. Where the troops went supplies of cola went with them. Is it a surprise that they are so big these days?

Jet engine in theory and in practice was a pre-war construction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_178), nuclear power (fission) was also a pre-war thing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fission#History) and actually, the development was hindered by the war and the bomb.
As for space flight, every sides got distracted from their original mission (human space flight) by the war (they had to design military rockets instead).
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verein_...Raumschiffahrt)

War usually alter development. Nations in war tend to be secretive, the military needs proven designs en masse. usually some projects got lucky and get funding but many others not, and even the lucky ones sometimes got forgotten because the secrecy (think about the colossus or Zuse's work).

[Hooked]

I was doing some construction work on a new indian casino, red rock casino in placerville, ca. So anyways it was new construction and they didnt have freeway access ramp open at the time so I took the back roads to get there. If any of you are familiar with the foothills then you know there are hardly any people living out there. So anyways I keep driving because its like 10 miles through the back roads to get there. I finally come across some secluded homes, didnt see any people outside. Now these homeswere very nice homes, but the weird thing was they all had bars on the windows, almost every single one of them. So imagine coming across a bunch of nice homes in the middle of nowhere and all have bars on the windows and not a soul in sight. They looked like fortified fortresses instead of homes. I keep driving to the casino which according to gps is about 5 miles away, as I near the jobsite and enter the main reservation area, it looks like a run down trailer park ghetto, abandoned stripped cars, garbage everywhere, all kinds of stuff in peoples front yards. This is where the indians are, you dont see them because they stay on the reservations.

[mikeakanice]

Not trying to sound racist here. But I don't get why white people go "i'm 1/4 irish, and half english", when the last time their ancestors actually stepped foot into those countries were like 100 years ago. Why brag about a country you've never been to. That's why I hate when someone calls me african american. I'm like nah I'm American only. I don't got a damn thing in common with any African.

[Jayburner]

you guys don't know where the indians went? How fucked up is that for american history?

When you fuckers were landing on plymouth rock...millions and millions of indians were dying from a plague. Thank god for that eh? try to colonize a continent full of healthy indians.

[Elegiac]

Not trying to sound racist here. But I don't get why white people go "i'm 1/4 irish, and half english", when the last time their ancestors actually stepped foot into those countries were like 100 years ago. Why brag about a country you've never been to. That's why I hate when someone calls me african american. I'm like nah I'm American only. I don't got a damn thing in common with any African.

Heritage is important?

[WNYIRISHGUY]

We have a few tribe here in WNY

If you enter * Irving NY * your entering the senaca nation and the same in * Niagara Falls * but here there are 2 place on by the nation and one by the state that regulated gambling

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seneca_people
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Nat...r_First_Nation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seneca_%28cigarette%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seneca_County,_New_York

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the tribe cigarette price varities

carton

24.50 to 31.90 at the main senaca triba in irving ny and on the same road there is a gas station * tax-free gas/cigarette * they are more cheaper but they offer shi@@y service * my opinions *