I don't know, you should be able to kill anything 2v1 - you mentioned in your last post that you lack gear. Why should skilled healers be penalised for surviving against two under geared players for 25mins? They should get extra points!
I don't know, you should be able to kill anything 2v1 - you mentioned in your last post that you lack gear. Why should skilled healers be penalised for surviving against two under geared players for 25mins? They should get extra points!
Last edited by Dcruize; 2013-04-23 at 11:17 AM.
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Let's try to keep this ontopic.
That is the issue with a healer surviving for ~25mins just to annoy the other team - eventhough he has no chance of actually winning because his teammate is already dead.
In my opinion the team with the most players alive should get the win and the other team a loss.
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I don't know what rating you play on but all healers are most certainly not killable in 1v2 - that being 1 dps + 1 healer vs 1 healer. He should be penalized because he already let his teammate die and he has no chance of winning(read: killing one of us) alone.
I've had 2s games where we've met our counter and they've been absolute dicks about it with nonstop emote spamming when they've killed one of us. Our reaction is always "f**k them" and the healer goes for the draw. Last season we forced a /spitspamming warrior/hpala to quit a 1v2 game after they killed our healer, spent 20mins running around in stealth in dalaran sewers grabbing the orbs and blowing everything to stay alive until I could escape again. Lesson is, don't play like a dick.
The loss doesn't show on the team so I guess that's a reason people do it as well.
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Also, once we run into double healer team. The fuck.
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While I agree with the OP, ive yet to see myself in a situation where 1 dps+1healer cant at least oom 1 healer.
So I play a rdruid and I was helping a random cap 2s from trade chat. He was bad. There were lots of games we lost because he just chased endlessly with no CD and died. I would leave, no big deal to me. Then we played a team that emote spammed and it just pissed me off to no end. After they killed him I just endlessly kited until the game timed out. The trade pug got irritated and left, but I stayed and drew the game out because the other team were being dicks.
After the game they made characters on my server to endlessly spam, I just let them know that they were being dicks and that they were not as skilled as they think. Moral of the story, don't be a dick. Watch some of the high rated players, they are never dicks. Someone discos, they stop play and wait for him to come back. Someone scumbag wins (rogue burst mainly) they just queue again and move on. So many players under 1800 could learn a lot about sportsmanship from watching 20 minutes of a 2400 player streaming.
No, it is 2v2, you kill them both or you get nothing, it is perfectly possible for 2 people to kill 1 healer. Use stuns, interupts (even cc to interupt), dispels and time your burst appropriately.
What is saying he has already lost? If two players cant kill one player it is the one healer that is skilled and the two players that are bad at the game.
I would go as far as suggest that the team with the alone healer will get more points depending on how long he can survive against the full team.
It doesnt matter what kind of arguments people have. If you are two vs one and still dont win. You deserve losing the game or atleast losing points.
I love all the defense of healers in this thread.
Here's a fact. Healers (gear/skill equal) will never die 1v1. This is the biggest imbalance in the entire game. If you cannot 1v1 a healer, why are they allowed in 2s? A more balanced game would only see healers surviving 1v1 if they outplayed their opponent. As it stands right now, healers need very little ability and can just rely on Blizzard's negligence of balance to carry them.
Now I understand they don't balance the game around 2s. Got it. But if that's really the case, why leave it open to blatant balance issues? Best resolution? Get rid of healing specs in 2v2, period. Why? Because 2s rating doesn't matter, is usually used as a way to quick cap some conquest and nothing more. Double dps vs. a smart healer/dps team loses every time as long as the healer team knows their shit. Either there needs to be a nerf only to healing done in 2v2 matches or they need to get rid of healing specs altogether for 2s. Otherwise threads like this will continue to exist, and healers will continue to create imbalances.
Yeah if you can't catch the most mobile class with the addition of heals that don't require casting you bad. ---Sarcasm
You basicaly just stated if you can't kill a resto druid in a stun lock you're bad. I guess there really is nothing we can say to argueing with your view point.
Last edited by Coraulten; 2013-04-23 at 03:35 PM.
Pretty much, although in the OP's case it's also affected by being poorly geared (which should never be balanced around). It's not 1v1 while your healer makes a cup of coffee, it's 2v1 and even mobile classes like druids can killed by a concerted effort (though probably not oom'd).
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Unless you are playing some really niche comp (and if so, deal with it, 2s aren't balanced for shit) you can kill any healer alone with two people (though it might take a while to force their cds/line up yours). Every healer adds some very significant output/utility (purge, damage and/or cc) to a 2v1 situation, make use of it.
Yep, a healer will never die 1v1 to a mage or rogue, you totally got this covered! Feel free to elaborate on why a healer being hard to 1v1 breaks 2s. Hell, feel free to elaborate on why a dps should be able to kill a healer but a healer should have no chance in hell of killing a dps, I'm sure you have an excellent reason!Here's a fact. Healers (gear/skill equal) will never die 1v1. This is the biggest imbalance in the entire game. If you cannot 1v1 a healer, why are they allowed in 2s? A more balanced game would only see healers surviving 1v1 if they outplayed their opponent. As it stands right now, healers need very little ability and can just rely on Blizzard's negligence of balance to carry them.
Last edited by mmoc321e539296; 2013-04-23 at 09:32 PM.
Not really many good cases against the Op in this thread. While I do agree the said Druid was clever and skilled enough to stay alive alone, in other sports and games (especially ones that include fighting) the team with the Druid would have lost.
If somehow the 2 of you fail so hard to kill 1 guy, you deserve to lose points in a draw. That guy deserves to make you lose points. You sucked the big one.
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