Quit it with the arguing and trying to bait each other. It's possible to discuss something without resorting to that. Stay on topic.
Quit it with the arguing and trying to bait each other. It's possible to discuss something without resorting to that. Stay on topic.
QFT, OP if you really really want to be a gym class hero of the internets go for it. In a few years when your all grown up and have more perspective, you'll realize that blizz made changes away from where you are asking it to go for a very important reason money = more content. Enforcing these you'd lose so many suscribers you'd never recover. The one idea I do like is player housing, but it doesn't fit in WoW, and they have far to much back logged content improvements to spend more dev time on a feature that very few would use.
I just don't get it, why do you want things to be harder/more tedious for other people?
There is something decent in the game for close to every type of player now (PvE wise, since it seems that's the road we're travelling this time).
Heroic mode raiding is more complex and challenging than almost any other point in this game, if you want to push yourself to the limit of your abilities this is where you can do that. You also get special titles, mounts, achievements that shows off how amazing you are. You even get to do unique content (Ra-den, Sinestra, Algalon) that the normal mode scrubs don't get.
You have challenge modes to swag yourself out and look different from all the other lowly players that aren't good enough to do them.
Normal modes are challenging enough for people that just want to try their luck at "real" raiding without putting their utmost effort into it. Oh and you can get some of those watered down achievements and stuff that heroic raiders get but LFR heroes don't get, whoopdifuckingdoo you get to be special. Not to mention your gear won't be tainted with the dreaded 502 ilvl and LFR tag, horrible stuff that.
Then you have LFR for people that just want to see the content and do some raiding (you might think it's not real raiding, but again who gives a shit) without the time commitment of normal/heroic raiding while getting some easy purple pixels to feel good about.
I honestly don't understand why you would take away something that people like having in the game, why is this?
If you want harder content for yourself and you're not currently sitting on 13/13, it's already in the game so why are you complaining. If all you want is challenging content, it's already there.. If you're at 13/13 and you still want "harder" content, you're shit out of luck because I don't think there's any way to actually make harder bosses without it just being straight up gear checks and that's not 'hard' and does not require 'effort', just 'time'.
Why people are hellbent on straight up deleting/removing content from the game that people enjoy for no other reason than they don't like how easily other people get purple pixels is beyond me. Why do you care if people get stuff for little effort when you can get better stuff for more effort. How fucking selfish can you be, seriously.
Heroic dungeons are a challenge because of having 25 people. There's disconnects, plus for raiding guilds they encounter all kinds of ridiculous bugs that should have been addressed on the PTR, there's the boss glitching and all kinds of other fun stuff. That's what causes so many wipes in Heroic modes, it's not even the boss mechanics, it's usually an internet issue or some stupid bug/glitch that needs to be fixed.
No, see, Blizzard had the intention of making LFR for people who just wanted to see the content but didn't have time to raid, but that's not what it's used for at all. People use it as a means of getting gear and AFKing in the process to do so. Hell, this week General chat was having a discussion on my server about different YouTube videos to watch while they AFK their LFR and what they've won while doing so.Then you have LFR for people that just want to see the content and do some raiding (you might think it's not real raiding, but again who gives a shit) without the time commitment of normal/heroic raiding while getting some easy purple pixels to feel good about.
I'm just saying, people should be forced to either participate or they don't receive loot. If they want to AFK, ignore boss mechanics and make the encounter take longer, than they can be punished via debuffs and no loot. It seems when you bring up the idea of actually making people put any effort at all into something, there's such an outroar.
I'm not sure if you're trolling or not with this one...I honestly don't understand why you would take away something that people like having in the game, why is this?
If you want harder content for yourself and you're not currently sitting on 13/13, it's already in the game so why are you complaining. If all you want is challenging content, it's already there.. If you're at 13/13 and you still want "harder" content, you're shit out of luck because I don't think there's any way to actually make harder bosses without it just being straight up gear checks and that's not 'hard' and does not require 'effort', just 'time'.
Why people are hellbent on straight up deleting/removing content from the game that people enjoy for no other reason than they don't like how easily other people get purple pixels is beyond me. Why do you care if people get stuff for little effort when you can get better stuff for more effort. How fucking selfish can you be, seriously.
I miss the community that the game it used to have and do you know how the community was born? Not through people being entitled to free gear for doing absolutely nothing.
Look at Isle of Thunder for example. Once people figured out it was server progression based and not individualized, they stopped doing dailies and let everyone else take care of it (even though on my server it was 11% towards the end.)
That's just absolutely ridiculous, you're telling me to get access to a loot pinata boss, people can't put forth the effort to do ONE DAILY?! Blizzard has allowed this laziness to continue on for far too long and it needs to change. They keep trying to cater more and more to (not casuals) but lazy people who just want their entitlement to show more than their work.
terrible ideas man..exploring every zone ? killing dungeon bosses? RAIDS? I PvP how do i need to do this?
So, everything becomes a repetetive arbitrary grind to get past gating mechanics, forcing you to do heroic dungeons ad nauseum even when you're fully decked in their gear - and whenever someone rerolls or a new friend jumps in, you'd have to stop your progress to grind them through all those dungeons all those times again (to get exalted rep), even if you are capable of carrying them through farm content. On top of this, normal modes would become obsolete as people could just queue up for the same difficulty and have a loot rain just by doing the fights right?
The only thing you bring up that I can even remotely relate to would be challenging heroics, since those were a blast in cataclysm. But to be honest, with challenge modes for the top edge and heroic scenarios for the rest of us I couldn't really care less (provided they manage to tune those scenarios well now and in the future).
Last edited by mmoc2e3dee3473; 2013-04-27 at 12:55 AM.
*sigh*
With the attitude of the general player base and how it is now days, I can only fear for just how forgiving and laid back the next MMO Titan will be =(
I'm sure glad blizzard doesn't let players design the game. You made me instantly think of this.
Those ideas will cause nothing but problems. Content for random strangers that are automatically put together should not be hard because those players have no control over who joins group.
My ideas for same problems:
Truly heroic heroics:
Keep some max level dungeons like they are now, facerollable via LFD.
Create different max level dungeons that are truly heroic heroics, do not allow LFD to join it, make them long non-linear dungeons with many bosses (old BRD style) and reward with higher level gear.
LFR:
Do not buff it. Change lockout system instead. Allow players to run 2 modes per week from: LFR, 10 man, 25 man. Only one of those modes can be done on heroic.
That would allow players who aren't really interested in raiding continue running LFR and pugging 10 or 25 man raids. 10 man guilds can do their heroic content and on off days ether do LFR or pug 25 man normal modes. 25 man guilds can do 25 man heroic content and on off days ether LFR or alt/pug 10 man normal modes.
Not being able to do both 10 and 25 man on heroic will make sure hardcore raiders don't feel obligated to run both 10 and 25 man raids each week. While they gather tier tokens instead of running LFR they can run 10/25 normal.
Flying:
I'd get rid of it completely or change mechanic. But don't make it a huge grind.
JP/VP:
No... just no. No more mandatory grinds.
Guild hopping:
Horrible idea. That would make recruitment even harder.
Why not get rid of guild perks instead? They have caused nothing but problems.
Player housing:
It does not belong to WoW.
Last edited by mmocbeba583bd0; 2013-04-27 at 06:48 AM.
Your qualm with challenge mode is the same problem people had doing 5 man heroic dungeons in TBC. I mean exactly the same problem.
Not exactly. It was much easier to just pvp to fill out your epics because your class didn't have the CC the group wanted. Or they wanted you to be decked out in epics already. Players take the path of least resistance, and that was no different in BC. The desire to do heroics in BC dropped off so much that they started to tie additional rewards to them such as a daily reward and badges.
Last edited by Ragashii; 2013-04-27 at 07:11 AM.
Allow me to respond from the former worldfirst chasing elitist POV, that has now turned semi-core over the years...My first response has to be: Are you fucking insane? With that being said, allow me to breakdown, point by point why this is the stupidest idea ever to be posted on these forums.
1)Difficult heroics were tried in Cata...it went over like porkchops at a Bar Mitzvah. It is Blizzs own fault, in Wrath the heroics were so faceroll, every new player in the game never really learned what CC was, or how/when to use it on pulls. But generally speaking, the majority of the playerbase wants easy, quickly done heroics these days, and while I occasionally lament the lack of old school large instances, I tend to agree with them.
2)So....raiding is now a prerequisite for flying mounts? How does this possibly sound like a good idea to you? Your ability to gain a flying mount is now tied to the average IQ of a LFR player..yeah...enjoy not flying until 3 patches later
3)LFR...while I have very mixed feelings on LFR, you need to get over it...Its here to stay..if anything, the mechanics should be MORE forgiving and reward lower ilvl items (using the previous tiers ilvl for example) And exalted with ALL heroic factions? yeah....that idea is so stupid I dont even know where to begin..perhaps you huffed paint before posting this...although I do like the punishment/reward system for doing mechanics properly...
4)So...again...you have to raid in order to get any points? AFTER you finished the idiotically long quest chain? AFTER you ground yourself into the ground getting exalted with every faction for no particular reason...You dont seem to have a good grasp on WHY those were placed in the game in the first place....
5)...because guild hopping is totally new to MoP and never occurred before this right? Put all the /facepalm restrictions on it you want, it'll still happen
6)The only suggestion made that actually merits serious debate or consideration.
Summary:
You sound like a butt-hurt former fringe raider...that 1 warm body the guild always needed to round out the roster...not really contributing too much, but leeching gear and consumables who is now bitter that other people can get the shiny epix. Want a challenge? Show me your heroic Lei-Shen chieve..or your Heroic Sha chieve. Your ideas are terrible, your preposition for this whole thread is spotty at best, and you lack the knowledge of how to read and determine what a community needs and wants, and how to balance the two.
Last edited by Ehrenpanzer; 2013-04-27 at 07:17 AM.
Truly heroic heroics:
They are there challenge modes just add better loot or something.
LFR:
Fine as it is, Leishen anyone?
Flying:
Remove.
JP/VP:
Just make all the pre raid gear craftable or something.
Guild hopping:
Reintroduce the slow rep gain again or remove perks completely.
Player housing:
Really not needed. Better add dance studio or path of the titans.
These ideas made me pretty sad, why would you want a second job?