Random BGs - is this really what it boils down to?

[ChristopherD87]

Wooah 7 losses in a row? That must be your fault, I basically win almost every bg I join. A player an do a lot for the team if he wants and knows how to do it. Of course there are some battlegrounds where one players contributions is not enough to get that win.

Sorry this just made me laugh really hard...

But for the OP,i don't believe that first comment was rude, he may have seen it that way, but eh oh well. As far as helping people in randoms its mostly useless, the people that want help or are willing to help usually respond to just the raid chat...if they don't I never go whispering anyone anymore cuz it usually turns out like that, sorry on the bad luck man

[theredviola]

To be fair if you whispered me rudely, throwing your weight about in a random bground I would have put you on ignore rather than wasted time replying...

I'm not saying you are wrong in the point you made, but you are really wasting your time approaching people in a quite rude way and expecting them to respond in a way that will please you.

Pretty much this. As the old saying goes, "you catch my flies with honey..."

But this is WoW. I'd bet my pay check that this mage would've still been an ass either way. I too am tired of the "you want to win? Go RBG. GTFO my random." I enjoy winning, I don't know who doesn't... but it's this "ME ME ME ME ME ME!!!!" mentality that is why random BGs, and LFG and LFR, have been a problem. It's nothing that Blizzard does, or doesn't do -- it's the players that are in them.

---------- Post added 2013-05-09 at 12:18 PM ----------

Wooah 7 losses in a row? That must be your fault, I basically win almost every bg I join. A player an do a lot for the team if he wants and knows how to do it. Of course there are some battlegrounds where one players contributions is not enough to get that win.

Right... because if you're the in the minority of people who know what they're doing for 7 BGs in a row -- it's YOUR fault.

I've been in BGs with numbers of other friends, and we've still lost in BGs due to self-centered attitudes from the other players.

[Deleted]

Gotta love the "go to RBG" people. I've seen bigger idiots and more mouthy know it alls in PUG RGBs than I've ever met in randoms. Hell, some people I've on trials when they should just stfu and play as best as they can just have a brain meltdown and start derping over the place. When it comes to randoms I learned long ago if it gets to a point when you start then it's best to log out for an hour and do something else. Arguing with fools is never productive.

[Lulbalance]

What it boils down to is that you're playing a game with tons of children and you're so over sensitive that you just felt obligated to post that screenshot even though everybody surely has experienced something similar multiple times. Just ignore the guy and move on, or troll back and take advantage of the siutation.

lol.. senathor throwing reality bombs as usual.

[Deleted]

OP is probly on of the people posting in premade groups they need to be banned and remove the addons ....

[Constraint]

It really does. Its bad enough when people feel the need to 'offer' unsolicited advice to random strangers, but to do so in a rude and disrespectful manner simply magnifies the negative nature of the comments.

To put it this way, how would you respond if some stranger walked up to you on the street and asked you "Have you ever put your own shoes on before ? Because you !@#$ing suck at tying your shoe laces."

Yeah, I really want to hear that person's advice after hearing that...

That's definitely a wonderful example, because you obviously both queued for "walking down the street" together, and if he doesn't tie his shoelaces properly, you're definitely wasting your time and everyone on the street will receive no honor if he doesn't.

[Budong]

If you pay attention, Blizzard designs most battlegrounds with intelligence checks. In AV Horde side, if you don't see that IB is a natural choke point and you don't defend it you deserve to get beat. Hell, Blizz even put a broken tank in the road at about the exact spot where you should defend. In EoTS the flag is nothing but a distraction. The smart players realize that bases = win and the ADD kiddies say 'ooh shiny!'

[openair]

Try telling them what they did wrong or how to improve instead of arrogance and condensation. Makes a world of difference.

As for people calling me arrogant/condescending, well, that is your opinion which you are entitled to. I guess I could have come off more polite in the original whisper (which can be interpreted as condescending, even though it wasn't meant to be that). I will have to be more careful next time.

Its not about polite... Its about providing constructive criticism, telling them how to improve, or what they did wrong, rather then asking condescending questions, telling them what they plan, and calling them names.

[Constraint]

Try telling them what they did wrong or how to improve instead of arrogance and condensation. Makes a world of difference.

If only that were true, my friend. My experiences point strongly in the other direction. Or rather, both ways almost never, if not never, work. I truly can't remember the last time someone actually changed what they were doing due to myself or someone else kindly pointing out what they could do better in a random bg. And trust me, I try.

[brirrspliff]

I guess I could have come off more polite in the original whisper (which can be interpreted as condescending, even though it wasn't meant to be that).

oh, it was meant to be. trust me. no need to backpaddle now. the word "tard" in your second whisper did not make it better. :-)

[Avrantia]

oh, it was meant to be. trust me. no need to backpaddle now. the word "tard" in your second whisper did not make it better. :-)

I am not backpaddling, on the contrary I admitted I could have approached the situation differently.

In 2nd whisper he had basically told me to f••• off so I was not really trying anything constructive at that point.

[klaps_05]

my advice would be when you decide to open your chat box, close it promptly without writing. that's how you handle random bgs/lfr.

[Xucuroz]

I think the biggest problem is, you singled out one person out of 13 others that were fighting in the middle. It's really no wonder you got that reaction.

That's not to say, people don't want to win or follow directions in random bgs. I've had some great random games recently, which were way more fun than rated. That was simply a bad game. A lot of random bgs now a days are won or lost based on healers and how many of the opposite team are together in a organized group sadly. I think a lot of randoms can get discouraged, especially if they are on a 7 lose streak, just like you were and say to hell with it, and mess around in the middle like with that eots. Doesn't make it right of course.

I do think that most people respond better to better attitude. I've seen a lot of people screaming "DO THIS, DO THAT, YOU ALL SUCK" ect in random bgs and i'm personally tired of reading it, so i wouldn't be surprised if others were as well.

[Serissa]

That guy did his job - capping flag. But you OP sitting in your single base so proud of it, didn't even try to cap other bases but lecturing other people how they play... It's your (and people like you) fault your team suck. You know there's other objectives in eots than capping single base and turtling there.

[ComputerNerd]

Unfortunately there is too much reward for a loss.
If you do not want to win, if you do not actually want to contribute meaningfully then go make a wargame.
That way you can screw around as much as you want without ruining the experience for those who did not choose to get grouped with you.

Someone trying to give instruction or guidance towards a win is not the arrogant one, but the one who refuses is.
The one who forgets that a battleground should be about the team result, not individual humping of the scoreboard or damage meters.

[pallius2pallium]

i'm still amazed that after what 5 years of eots being out people still don't get how to win it

For my alliance side this is why i blacklisted it as the alliance bum rushed mid and horde do a nose dive towards dr and it is a shit fest for next 15 mins.

[Bsod]

its a random bg... 1/3 of the player are just there to kill time and nuke some low resil. people.

[Glurp]

its a random bg... 1/3 of the player are just there to kill time and nuke some low resil. people.

This.

If I queued for a BG to have fun and global people with no desire to win or farm honor then I will do whatever I please. You don't see people queuing LFR and spamming in raid chat about doing heroic mode tactics for bosses.

[Deleted]

Get oque addon and you PvP life will be much improved.

Ignore retards in random BG and your life will be much improved

Since i stopped all PvE in MoP, without oque i wouldn´t be a sub.

[Deleted]

This.

If I queued for a BG to have fun and global people with no desire to win or farm honor then I will do whatever I please. You don't see people queuing LFR and spamming in raid chat about doing heroic mode tactics for bosses.

It's more like if you queue up for LFR you go in and ninja pull bosses to cause wipes and yell : I do whatever I want, my time - my fun. I just want to shoot lasers out of my finger tops, I don't care for loot or killing bosses.

Just go to a target dummy or duel outside Org/SW if you don't care about the objectives in raid/dungeons/pvp.