4th raid difficulty, Easy Mode, should it happen?

[Glorious Leader]

I want you to think a little bit about what you wrote there.

Imagine that it were actually possible to nerf the difficulty of the difficult things in life.

It would be UTTERLY MONSTROUS not to do so.

Can you imagine someone saying, "Yeah, granny's dying of cancer. Suck it up and stop being so casual" if that person could actually nerf cancer?

ROFLMAO OMG ALSO SIGWORTHY hahahaahah dude movie idea!!! guy nerfs life. It would be like that ricky gervais movie where he invents lying.

[Moradim]

see, heres the problem.

the vast majority of guilds arent even touching heroics.

so...

what harm is done in making normals easier, and leaving heroics alone? most heroic guilds dont even spend 2 weeks in normal modes. you might even get more people getting their feet wet by trying heroics for the first time. sure, they might not be cut out for it, but it's an option.

[anaxie]

I want you to think a little bit about what you wrote there.

Imagine that it were actually possible to nerf the difficulty of the difficult things in life.

It would be UTTERLY MONSTROUS not to do so.

Can you imagine someone saying, "Yeah, granny's dying of cancer. Suck it up and stop being so casual" if that person could actually nerf cancer?

Both our comments combined I think my head exploded.

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see, heres the problem.

the vast majority of guilds arent even touching heroics.

so...

what harm is done in making normals easier, and leaving heroics alone? most heroic guilds dont even spend 2 weeks in normal modes. you might even get more people getting their feet wet by trying heroics for the first time. sure, they might not be cut out for it, but it's an option.

Because those normal mode raiders need a challenge to be better players to not dilute the skill pool of WoW. It's low enough as is.

[Cuppy]

Yes, absolutely! And after that i'd like to see "Superezmode" where bosses drop health just by waiting. Of course we need hardhardcore mode aswell, harder than heroic mode! Maybe even soloraidmode and maybe something more. Just to please everyone.

[CrusaderNerò87]

see, heres the problem.

the vast majority of guilds arent even touching heroics.

so...

what harm is done in making normals easier, and leaving heroics alone? most heroic guilds dont even spend 2 weeks in normal modes. you might even get more people getting their feet wet by trying heroics for the first time. sure, they might not be cut out for it, but it's an option.

Do you have numbers to back that up? Im in a normal raiding guild, and I prefer a decent challenge in normal mode so we can work on it for some time and slowly start on heroic bosses.

If normal was a faceroll and then suddenly heroic was a brick wall from first boss it would kinda suck. LFR --> prep for normal mode ----> prep for HC mode.

Would feel wierd if LFR and normal was faceroll then suddenly heroic mode was a brick wall.

Come on people, get a guild and start some raiding. Its no harm in a decent challenge. Training for those nice heroic modes.

We all know what would happen if normal mode was very easy:

"OMG RAIDING SO EASY NOTHING TO DO NOW LAWL. What you mean heroic mode? Same content, dont bother"

[Novx]

That would mean that Blizzard would admit that LFR is braindead-easy, and they wouldn't do that.

They have admitted that countless times....what....

[Moradim]

they could fix normal difficulty by tuning normals properly, at least. theres no reason why terrace should be easier than heart of fear. or for primordius/twin consorts to be faceroll while earlier bosses are harder.

[Coldpro]

Honestly I'd rather we go back to 1 difficulty, normal, with hardmodes like Ulduar where you had to do something special to activate them. Too many difficulties as is.

[melodramocracy]

because why should you accept any less? you've got to be kidding me with this. First of all I don't think the majority of players should be accepting of less. Let's turn this on it's head. Let's say tmmrw everything is made easier would you then by the same expectation say well things shouldn't be made hard to cater to them? Are you just okay with whatever or is their a distinction between hard and easy. LFR doesn't cater to you unless your a bad. Their is no difficulty that caters to you. That is appropriate to your ability or skill. LFR is not a difficulty.

LFR is indeed a difficulty, there are wipes there. I'd reckon that I have the skill to participate in normals, but like so many other things, individual skill is not the only determining success factor in this game.

It's pretty simple. There is content for all levels of time commitment and skill here. Some of this content requires more of a time commitment than what I currently aspire to. So, I don't get to see it all. Shit happens. This goes beyond raiding as well. I won't get a gladiator title... nor do I ask that it be made easier to acquire.

There's also content I have absolutely zero interest in. Pet battles, for example. Should I ask for them to be removed, because clearly the devs aren't committing resources to what I specifically want?

Normals seem to be cleared by lower numbers of guilds these days, but people not even participating in them has just as much of an impact as groups who simply can't progress through them.. which simple skews the outlook on things when the word 'nerf' starts getting thrown around.

And as far as heroics go, once they're cleared and proven to be working as intended, they should never be nerfed. Not ever.

[Odina]

because why should you accept any less? you've got to be kidding me with this. First of all I don't think the majority of players should be accepting of less..

AWESOME ARGUMENT!

I agree the devs should not be accepting less form there player base. They should expect the players to actually look into and use the tools they spent countless hours developing and trully enjoy every thing that they have offered the player base. The devs should not have to accept that players don't want to use the things that the devs spent so much time on and just nerf things untill 50% of the things they developed can be ignored!

Trully a great argument!

[Deleted]

difficulty is pretty good. we could clear normal mode and 2 heroic bosses with 1-2 raid days per week each 3 hours. If you can't do that you are either bad yourself and should play LFR or look for a guild that fits you.

[anaxie]

You know why horridon is harder? bad players doing bad dps and not doing kicks, decurse, cleanse. Then you get overwhelmed entire raid is debuffed. You know what would fix that explaining to players WHICH adds need to die EXPLAINING which adds need kicked. EXPLAINING what needs decursed. This shit is raiding 101 the fight IS NOT difficult it is entirely the players fault.

[shise]

Sorry, what!?


LFR, you can afk and get loot for free.

Normal mode = EASY mode.

Hard Mode/Heroic = real raid.



What else do you want? a Button in the middle of the screen like " Click here for loot" !??

Really I don't get it.

[Hughes]

That was the Nintendo 64 that had Superman 64. Thanks for bringing back a memory it took me shrink years to help me cope with.

There was a Superman game for NES. Quite possibly the most frustrating game I have every played (next to Mario Bros. Lost Levels)

[Glorious Leader]

LFR is indeed a difficulty, there are wipes there. I'd reckon that I have the skill to participate in normals, but like so many other things, individual skill is not the only determining success factor in this game.

It's pretty simple. There is content for all levels of time commitment and skill here. Some of this content requires more of a time commitment than what I currently aspire to. So, I don't get to see it all. Shit happens. This goes beyond raiding as well. I won't get a gladiator title... nor do I ask that it be made easier to acquire.

There's also content I have absolutely zero interest in. Pet battles, for example. Should I ask for them to be removed, because clearly the devs aren't committing resources to what I specifically want?

Normals seem to be cleared by lower numbers of guilds these days, but people not even participating in them has just as much of an impact as groups who simply can't progress through them.. which simple skews the outlook on things when the word 'nerf' starts getting thrown around.

And as far as heroics go, once they're cleared and proven to be working as intended, they should never be nerfed. Not ever.

No their isn't. Their is no content for average level players with a moderate amount of time to commit. In other words their is no NORMAL RAIDING. Nerf all of it. Catering to the vanity of heroic raiders is foolish and will bleed them subs in the long term and in the short term. Giving casuals and average players a real stake in end game raiding AND NOT LFR will make the raiding healthy again.

[Odina]

ROFLMAO OMG ALSO SIGWORTHY hahahaahah dude movie idea!!! guy nerfs life. It would be like that ricky gervais movie where he invents lying.

There is a movie like this it's clled "click" and guess what... at the end he realizes the things worth workign for that arent always easy are the bet things in life.. I suggest you rent it and learn from it!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Click_(2006_film)

[Hotsforyou]

I know! In a game built around socialising the massive difficulty of normal modes is a ridiculous situation, isn't it?

Best thing would be to remove heroic modes (or just give them mog gear a la challenge modes) and make an actual normal mode difficulty based around what he average wow player can do. It'd only be molten core level in complexity but there'd actually be something for people who aren't amazing to do.

I would immediately quit the game and Un Sub.

[Osmeric]

There is a movie like this it's clled "click" and guess what... at the end he realizes the things worth workign for that arent always easy are the bet things in life.. I suggest you rent it and learn from it!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Click_(2006_film)

So, he'd be ok with granny dying of cancer?

The lesson I'd take from that film is "scriptwriters can be fatuous morons."

[Glorious Leader]

AWESOME ARGUMENT!

I agree the devs should not be accepting less form there player base. They should expect the players to actually look into and use the tools they spent countless hours developing and trully enjoy every thing that they have offered the player base. The devs should not have to accept that players don't want to use the things that the devs spent so much time on and just nerf things untill 50% of the things they developed can be ignored!

Trully a great argument!

Blizzard must be the only company that can make demands of it's customers and then have a portion of those customers side with them. Well guess what not so much. Expect NERFS and expect next tier to be much easier. Your tiers will be salty and delicious. I savor them. I'll have a jar ready to collect them and distill their essence into pure QQ and then ferment it into some kind of alcohol and then possible braise my chicken breast in it with some fava beans and a nice chianti.

[Deleted]

Have you ever pugged normal ToT?

GL getting passed Horridon if you could beat Jin'Rokh.

We have pugs with hardmodes on my realm. =/