Originally Posted by

**Kralljin**
Well, did i say that that Lb has the possibility to beat Lvb in terms of efficiency under normal conditions?

Not really and trying interpretate this into my post(s) is not right.

Actually i have taken the FS Bonus into account. But i do not see how you get your scaling values, with no gear i get the following tooltip values:

Lb:2350

Lvb:1383

Formula from wowhead for Lb:1187 to 1355 (+ 73.9% of SpellPower)

Formula from wowhead for lvb:1105 to 1420 (+ 80% of SpellPower)

btw. i have 151 sp because of base int while being naked.

Lb: (1271 + 151*0.74)*1.7 = 2350

For the Sp scaling value: (1271 + 151*0.74)*1.7 = 2160 + 151*1.25 = 2348 => Scaling value 1.25 => 125%

this minor difference comes rounding, if you run it with exact numbers you will pretty much get 2350.

With Shamanism the Sp scaling is 125%, feel free to point out the error here.

The 100% Value for Lvb comes from the 25% buff i guess, 5.1 Lvb Sp scaling was 120% and with 5.2 80%, since 80*1.5 = 120%.

Obviously the discrepancy between the scaling values skews this issue with increasing Ilvl, but the difference between the baseline values make a rather minor difference and the difference between swings in only in favor of Lvb when 5.3 hits. Yet i do not see why my math in my previous is wrong.

But that a FS vs. Lb issue in the 1st place, Lb needs to have a higher DPET than FS (without taking extra lvb dmg into account) to even to consider that. And i think that FS damage itself suffices to beat a single Lb. Never tried to prove that Lb is sometimes more beneficial than Lvb, all i tried to prove is that Lb is able to produce a higher damage number than Lvb even without some short time buffs active.