5.4 KJC changes.

[Jessicka]

I've not heard any Hunters make this argument, so I decided to go right to the source and see what they think

Just made the thread so no replies yet, but hopefully we'll see

There are many tweets asking about Sniper Training and Aspects to that end.

[Teye]

Like he said, it's been discussed a ton over the past couple pages ... FF is for when you don't pick KJC

Its amazing, some people are so reliant on KJC that they can't even understand a conversation about not using it...

[Drikkink]

Did they revert the "cast time but cast while moving" nature of ff?

[Teye]

Did they revert the "cast time but cast while moving" nature of ff?

Based on the datamining, yes.

[Shiekyerbooty]

Its amazing, some people are so reliant on KJC that they can't even understand a conversation about not using it...

yes, forgive me

But, In movement heavy fights, we would take KJC making FelFlame Useless

The other fights, I assume, there will be little or no movement, but if these fights are not movement heavy, wouldn't that fact make FelFlame once again Useless

[xskarma]

Did they revert the "cast time but cast while moving" nature of ff?

They did. I try to keep the first post of this thread up to date with the latest changes, both datamined and official. Keep an eye on it if you've been out of the loop for a bit. http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...5-4-discussion

[Teye]

yes, forgive me

But, In movement heavy fights, we would take KJC making FelFlame Useless

The other fights, I assume, there will be little or no movement, but if these fights are not movement heavy, wouldn't that fact make FelFlame once again Useless

Fel Flame is already largely useless with KJC. Also, they're considering a glyph to put back the DoT extension, if that's what you're concerned about.

[Brusalk]

yes, forgive me

But, In movement heavy fights, we would take KJC making FelFlame Useless

The other fights, I assume, there will be little or no movement, but if these fights are not movement heavy, wouldn't that fact make FelFlame once again Useless

The whole point in changing our talents at all is based around making AV/MF/KjC closer together and actually have a choice for them. The change to Fel Flame helps this out by raising our movement DPS while not talented into KjC. This means it's less painful to not take KjC making it easier to get the 3 talents closer together, and thus accomplish their goal.

[turboblake]

Just Updated!
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The debuff from using a Demonic Gateway has been increased to 60 seconds (up from 15 seconds).

WTF Blizzard I don;t think my ass hole can take any more pounding come on!

[Jessicka]

yes, forgive me

But, In movement heavy fights, we would take KJC making FelFlame Useless

The other fights, I assume, there will be little or no movement, but if these fights are not movement heavy, wouldn't that fact make FelFlame once again Useless

If they tune the new AV where it should be, good use of FF should be a DPS increase on light-moderate movement encounters, whereas KJC will be more a QoL thing and heavy movement ability.

Further note, the nerfs to Gateway and Soul Leech are not unexpected when they're leaving KJC tuned higher than originally intended.

[Shiekyerbooty]

The whole point in changing our talents at all is based around making AV/MF/KjC closer together and actually have a choice for them. The change to Fel Flame helps this out by raising our movement DPS while not talented into KjC. This means it's less painful to not take KjC making it easier to get the 3 talents closer together, and thus accomplish their goal.

You might be right, but I certainly wish they could do this by making MF and AV more interesting and fun, instead of making KJC less usefull and less fun

[Jessicka]

You might be right, but I certainly wish they could do this by making MF and AV more interesting and fun, instead of making KJC less usefull and less fun

They nerfed Gateway and Soul Leech. Anything else you'd give up for more powerful KJC?

[Shiekyerbooty]

They nerfed Gateway and Soul Leech. Anything else you'd give up for more powerful KJC?

I believe this whole thing is mostly a case of PVP ruining it for PVE, I remember when CoC was nerfed.....grrr

[Drikkink]

They had best keep threat off us for 60 sec then because soloing is ruined if not.

[Teye]

They had best keep threat off us for 60 sec then because soloing is ruined if not.

Remember that the Void Walker is getting a substantial threat boost (150% of current) which should help a bit if that's the case.

[Rayaleith]

Remember that the Void Walker is getting a substantial threat boost (150% of current) which should help a bit if that's the case.

This. When I read about the voidwalker threat buff I was baffled since we never complained on this. And then portal nerf came :P So the reason is either to stop raids from avoiding some raid mechanics they are not supposed to avoid, or PvP. They tried to keep soloing as is...

Now we have to admit that an AV change like this (take damage to buff my output) is very warlock like. We are supposed to give life for a greater purpose (like killing mages etc).

[Deleted]

I believe this whole thing is mostly a case of PVP ruining it for PVE, I remember when CoE was nerfed.....grrr

I doubt it, there was a huge outcry from pve'ers to get KJC remaining strong, you can't have that and not get any backlash when it causes pvp connotations, though frankly I don't think that's the case.

The new KJC in pvp is something I expect to be amazing, first time I've been looking forward to stepping into a BG / arena on my warlock this entire expansion. And soul leech is NOT a pvp concern, most warlocks take DR from what I'm aware, and even if they don't, it's not as overpowered as it is for pve since you're regularly taking damage, as opposed to in pve where you can just ignore horridons calls and absorb 100% of what should be a huge raid hit. That's 100% a pve concern.

Gateway is disputable, but seems stupid in both cases.

[FurtyIRL]

KJC so good for aff now.

[Deleted]

I really enjoyed casting soulstone and soulwell on the move (and summon pet, but that also has pvp consequences), so including those in KJC would be a great QoL change. I'd even pay a glyph slot for it.

[Singularity]

I admit KJC on live is a bit OP, so I think the new KJC is a good deal. We can cast while moving, but we can't use all spells.