Shadow flame is back!

[Elise the Seeker]

Am I the only one who was excited for this?
I missed this so much, and howl of terror being baseline.. finally!

[Spektroman]

I like the baseline Howl.

I don't think many will spec into this new talent though; All specs have a snare of some sort already, and a snare can't really compete with a stun or a horror effect.

[Terahertz]

I like the baseline Howl.

I don't think many will spec into this new talent though; All specs have a snare of some sort already, and a snare can't really compete with a stun or a horror effect.

True, but a frontal cone snare is still really good, especially with that CD and howl being baseline.

[Heliolord]

KJC and MF died/may die for this.

[Viradiance]

KJC and MF died/may die for this.

Mannoroth's Fury better at least affect Shadowflame. I mean it's a goddamn Pit Lord's breath, Mannoroth is a goddamn Pit Lord. 2 + 2 = Goddamn 4.

[Elise the Seeker]

Mannoroth's Fury better at least affect Shadowflame. I mean it's a goddamn Pit Lord's breath, Mannoroth is a goddamn Pit Lord. 2 + 2 = Goddamn 4.

Lol, agreed. I'm also hoping the animation may have been updated.

[Deleted]

Lol, agreed. I'm also hoping the animation may have been updated.

I'm glad it's back, but I don't myself picking it.

As for the animations, since they changed it to 'Demonic Breath' perhaps the character does it himself, instead of the stupid purple pitlord head we used to summon. Check the 3D models on wowhead, and under animations select 'breathoffire' it's the one monks use. Going to suggest it, unless they've given it to us already. We'll know soon.

[Deleted]

Really happy to see it back, it was fantastic back in cata pvp, unfortunately, I'm not sure how viable it will be compared to SF / coil.

Would have been much happier having any of the remaining three talents over having howl baseline, sharing my fears dr, but I won't complain too much, getting anything other than a nerf these days seems a rarity.

[Deleted]

How big is the slow?

If it's 70% it maybe worth taking. If it's 30-50%, then Sfury/Coil is better.

[Deleted]

How big is the slow?

If it's 70% it maybe worth taking. If it's 30-50%, then Sfury/Coil is better.

50% for 6 seconds. Indeed, SF/Coil > Breath atm. Even if it was 70% I would probably pick SF still.

[WarlockJack]

I have improved CoEX for a 70% slow...

They can keep their baseline Shadowfury and HoT... dont mess with my KJC... I'm gonna have to punch someone in half!

[Supernex]

It will be a bummer for sure to lose KJC as it is now, but I am at least glad to have Howl back baseline.

[xskarma]

I´ll just leave this here, taken from the 5.4 PTR just now:




On the PTR the talent is labeled as "Demonic breath" for what it's worth.

[Netherspark]

Does it still deal damage?

[Deleted]

Does it still deal damage?

No, just the slow.

[evertonbelmontt]

No, just the slow.

50% is nothing, sadly.
Every melee has a way to be on us all the time. Charges, blinkstrike, hook. Meh.

Either they update it to 70% for 7 seconds (instead of 6) or make it a 10 second CD for 5 seconds for 50%, that way you'll force the enemy to burn their charges/gaps

[shinewaylee]

50% for 6 seconds. Indeed, SF/Coil > Breath atm. Even if it was 70% I would probably pick SF still.

50% snare,and enimies who are affected 3s will be turn back / stun / or confused 3s.What about it then?