Pretty sure LFR will either be reworked or have limited content next expansion.

[swagster]

if LFR would be killed A LOT OF people would leave wow...

a lot of people would come back actually. I don't know about you guys, but I have a large number of guild mates that left WoW to play LoL since blizzard killed 25 man raiding with LFR.

[Socialhealer]

i'm interested to see what this new "thing" is that's added to f/n/h and does it scale or have better odds on higher difficulty? if no then it's nothing special flex raiding will still be a complete breeze so everyone can get whatever it is easily anyway.

[swagster]

You're back at making subjective oppinions.
According to blizzard you're wrong :P

He made a subjective opinion first. He said the business depends on LFR.

According to subscriptions number you're wrong.

[leaks]

Well it only took one page for this to turn into a sub number argument. Classic MMO champion.

[Mawnix]

The business depends on the removal of LFR.

It's either remove or let subs drop more.

LOL?

Do you realize HOW MANY Casual Players play WoW?

You aren't the majority.

If LFR didn't exist Subs would be down to 4 million or much lower.
Thanks.

[swagster]

LOL?

Do you realize HOW MANY Casual Players play WoW?

You aren't the majority.

If LFR didn't exist Subs would be down to 4 million or much lower.
Thanks.

When LFR didn't exist, subs were 12 million.

You're welcome.

[kaib]

Yep, I despise LFR completely, but I'm playing a lot and raiding actively. Lots of people that stopped/went casual in my guild log on a few hours per week and ALL of them do LFR. Pretty sure almost all of them wouldn't ever log on without LFR being available.

[Mawnix]

When LFR didn't exist, subs were 12 million.

You're welcome.

When LFR didn't exist, subs dropped to 9.1 million.

When subs did exist, the losses decreased, and most of the losses were from China, who raid in a much more hardcore environment than we do.

YOU'RE welcome.

[swagster]

This infers that you think every lost sub is because they disliked LFR. Quite the assumption.

Without LFR, there would be even less subs. LFR is staying and the content within it will too. GC specifically stated that the incentives would be something NOT seen in any raid format so far.

---------- Post added 2013-06-15 at 02:50 PM ----------


Except it took 3 patches to get LFR and WoW was already down a couple million by the time it was released in 4.3.

No I don't. Of course removing pvp progression and incentives, bad class balance, dead realms, helped too.

[Deleted]

Some people don't like it - it CLEARLY has to go! So, after Dailies and LFR, what will be the next big thing I'll see hundreds oh whiny threads about?

If only Blizzard employed more genius people like swagster, I bet the game wouldn't be so dead right now (with "dead" meaning "8 million subs after 9 years" in this case).

[Mawnix]

No I don't. Of course removing pvp progression and incentives, bad class balance, dead realms, helped too.

And all of those issues have been rectified slowly since the beginning of Mists.

[swagster]

When LFR didn't exist, subs dropped to 9.1 million.

When subs did exist, the losses decreased, and most of the losses were from China, who raid in a much more hardcore environment than we do.

YOU'RE welcome.

World of Warcraft lost 600,000 players shortly after the release of Cataclysm. Cataclysm was already shitty, LFR was pretty much the final nail in the coffin.

[Nevor]

The business depends on the removal of LFR.
It's either remove or let subs drop more.

that comment makes no sense...

for normal/hardmode players nothing would change with LFR being gone...
if you think more people would raid normal mode then and step it up a notch you are wrong... they would rather leave the game than get professional raiders... it would also be harder for normal raiders to invite new people since LFR mode equipment is a rather smooth start into normal raiding...

there are quite some normal/hardmode players who equip their twinks in LFR cause its very fast and easy and they cant run normal/hardmode on 5 chars a week...

casual players need LFR cause they dont have time wiping for hours and they would leave if they cant reach something within their timeframe. even if people have tons of time... do they really want to waste it on a computer game? they would quit if LFR is gone... and there are WAY more casual players than raiders...

and flex is no solution for LFR... cause you have to find a raid in advance and that takes hours of spamming and asking and gear checking and whatever... thats the good thing with LFR... register for LFR... do some dailies, rares or world bosses... then raid... done

[xenogear3]

I know at least 134 hardcore raiders left because of LFR.
Force us to play with newbs, ninja looters and AFKs.

[namelessone]

a lot of people would come back actually. I don't know about you guys, but I have a large number of guild mates that left WoW to play LoL since blizzard killed 25 man raiding with LFR.

How do you know they will come back? None of my friends who left WoW for any reason ever came back. Those who are gone are gone, Blizz needs to worry about keeping the ones who are still playing. Also, the percentage of people raiding 25 man was always minuscule. Like, more people have quit WoW than have ever raided.

[Mawnix]

World of Warcraft lost 600,000 players shortly after the release of Cataclysm. Cataclysm was already shitty, LFR was pretty much the final nail in the coffin.

You're making excuses now to justify your own opinion of LFR.

Please, do this for me:

Make a poll and see how many people run LFR compared to Normal and Heroic raiding.

Find out on the us.battle.net forums too aside from just here.

Conduct that poll in game, too, since the forums hold a VERY small sect of the players of the game.

After you've done that, come back to me and tell me what you find.

If your response to this post I just made is "No" or "I don't have to I already know LFR killed the game", it establishes the absolute fact your opinion on LFR is just an opinion and not a fact.

If you want to do the work and prove you're right do so, but if not, stop treating like you understand what the WoW community wants vs what you want.

Thanks.

---------- Post added 2013-06-15 at 02:01 PM ----------

I know at least 134 hardcore raiders left because of LFR.
Force us to play with newbs, ninja looters and AFKs.

"Force us".

Explain how you're forced please.

[namelessone]

When LFR didn't exist, subs were 12 million.

You're welcome.

And correlation always implies causation, we all know that.
Subs started to go down after Worgen were introduced, they clearly need to remove Worgen.

[worsthitmanNa]

a lot of people would come back actually. I don't know about you guys, but I have a large number of guild mates that left WoW to play LoL since blizzard killed 25 man raiding with LFR.

10 man raiding killed 25 man raiding not Lfr. Why do 25 man raiding when you can get half that amount of people and run normal modes. Not saying 10 man is easier I honestly don't know and don't care.

[namelessone]

Also, if your friends left to play LoL, I'd much rather prefer they stay in LoL. We all know what kind of people play that game.

[Mawnix]

10 man raiding killed 25 man raiding not Lfr. Why do 25 man raiding when you can get half that amount of people and run normal modes. Not saying 10 man is easier I honestly don't know and don't care.

And you sir proved my point.

Everyone has their own reason for the sub loss, just like mine is the simple fact people are tired of a game they've been playing multiple years, the game is no longer "new/shiny", and the subscription model is dead.