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    Heroism de-buff disappearing in Naxxramas.

    I ran Naxx10 the other night with my GM, and when we killed the first boss of Spider wing (first wing we went to) I decided to burn Heroism, because why not.

    So we killed him, then when we got to Widow, I completely didn't notice the fact that I was able to pop Heroism again, despite it being nowhere near at least 5 minutes between the 2 bosses. So, I finally noticed when we were up to Maexxna, and I watched after we killed her that the debuff disappeared. And this happened after we killed every boss.

    So, did I miss something in a blue post, or is this a bug?
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    This has been in the game for awhile now in raids...

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    Heroism debuff as well as any CDs with base CD of 5-15 minutes are reset upon killing the NPCs that are marked as "boss". Note that NPCs that don't actually die (like Saurfang or Ulduar keepers) can't trigger this.

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    I'm going to go ahead and guess only old raids?
    I don't think I've ever seen this, but then again I likely never noticed.

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    Interesting, never knew this. I guess because I never played a class that could use hero/bloodlust. :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auxis View Post
    I'm going to go ahead and guess only old raids?
    I don't think I've ever seen this, but then again I likely never noticed.

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    Works in ToT normal and heroic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Radio View Post
    Works in ToT normal and heroic!
    o.O seems a bit odd that they'd reduce CD management in current tiers.
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    It's so for anyone on a progression fight (well doesn't have to be progression) they don't have to feel gimped every 2nd or 3rd attempt due to not having major cd's available. Think it's a great feature and saves waiting around.

    Typically you would look at cd management in terms of during the fight, and not having downtime after a wipe waiting for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auxis View Post
    o.O seems a bit odd that they'd reduce CD management in current tiers.
    From what I remember it affects Heroism's debuff, Lay on Hands, Soulstone (and all Combat Ress spells, I think?) and Army of the Dead. Does not affect Reincarnation, for instance (would probably be OP :P).

    It's so you don't just waste or gimp a try because you're lacking one of those, I suppose. Minor cooldowns are not reset, though. Resetting a boss (and not simply wiping) doesn't reset all these, though, if I recall correctly from our Wind Lord Meljarak tries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auxis View Post
    o.O seems a bit odd that they'd reduce CD management in current tiers.
    Sitting around waiting for lust to come of CD is hardly compelling gameplay.
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    They decided to reset the CDs on a lot of "long term buffs/debuffs/cds" because they felt it was bad to feel the need to either kill yourself to remove a debuff, or to wait X amount of time for them to reset because people felt they were needed.

    I remember after hagara we always jump off ultraxians platform so we could hero on the pull.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    Sitting around waiting for lust to come of CD is hardly compelling gameplay.
    I guess it didn't cross my mind that it'd take less than 10 minutes to eat, buff and go-over what went wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Auxis View Post
    I guess it didn't cross my mind that it'd take less than 10 minutes to eat, buff and go-over what went wrong.
    Well usually you figure out what went wrong when it went wrong or as you run back/eat anyway, we usually repull within 3-4 minutes with full knowledge of what happened and what was needed to fix it. XD

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    That's exactly the reason why you also loose the bloodlust/heroism debuff when you wipe or kill the boss.

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    Popping hero on pull only to screw up a taunt or something just minutes into the fight meant unnecesary wait times. It sucked. I recall times in the past waiting for 20+ minutes for reincarnations to come back when we were close to killing a certain boss. It was boring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nekovivie View Post
    Popping hero on pull only to screw up a taunt or something just minutes into the fight meant unnecesary wait times. It sucked. I recall times in the past waiting for 20+ minutes for reincarnations to come back when we were close to killing a certain boss. It was boring.
    Yea except reincarnation's cooldown does not reset so you have to wait if you still have to wait if want it off cooldown for attempts.

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