im sick of pvp causing pve nerfs.

[SirReal]

Wrong, its exactly how it works. There is 0 reason functionally why Blizzard could not reduce player damage by 65%, reduce NPC health by 65%, then remove resilience. The only reason to keep damage so dramatically high compared to player health, is PVE EPEEN. BIG NUMBERS RAWR! That's it.

PvP has been getting fucked over by the PVE EPEEN Inflating damage system since Wrath. Resilience shouldnt exist in its current form. It serves no purpose that could not be achieved by the Devs setting player DPS around player health, instead of setting player dps around PVE'r EPEEN.

wrong, thats exactly not how it works.

[Deleted]

They should just reboot pvp altogether, remove instant casts, give everyone 2 cc's max, 1 interrupt and adress hybrids and hunters. Fully seperate from pve.

[Resentful]

PVP gets nerfed because of PVE as well..just look at the 65% resilience..that was purely to encourage raiders to pvp more -.-

That was fucking stupid and un-needed change personally.

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They should just reboot pvp altogether, remove instant casts, give everyone 2 cc's max, 1 interrupt and adress hybrids and hunters. Fully seperate from pve.

Separate the pvE and PVP other games have done it hell THEY'VE DONE it example

Find weakness is 100% on NPC's however on players it is 50%

[Korgoth]

wrong, thats exactly not how it works.

Care to back that up? Oh wait you cant. The only reason damage is as high as it is, so high that everyone is given 65% passive damage reduction, is PVE player EPEEN. If they dont see big numbers, they have a small dick and cry.

[panterarules]

I think Blizzard shouldnt implement half the stuff to begin with. It's like they don't think 'oh wait, maybe vengeance in PvP will cause tanks to hit hard', they just get over excited by new concepts and end up having to nerf them anyway.

[dragnipur]

One other company already have found a solution to this problem.They always split the spells,talents and everything on two - PvE and PvP.For instance you have fire ball which is doing in PvE 2k dmg and in PvP it will be 1k.
So when you balance one part of the game(PvE) you don't have to worry that you have buffed or nerfed the other one(PvP).I don't know why blizzard haven't done that.They are not reiventing the wheel or something.They will just use a system that already exists and is proven to work.

[Vamandrac]

I'm sick of Blizzard messing up PvP by trying to make it more PvE friendly. Works both ways.

[roahn the warlock]

I hate players in PvE gear being viable in PvP while players in PvP gear are not viable for PvE

That's because it is really, really easy to get pvp gear. With a minimal ammount of skill I earned 10k conquest last week. That equated to about a helm, a robe, a weapon, and a offhand. There is no way in hell I would ever get that in a raid.

Getting raid bosses down are harder than doing the basic minimum to get conquest and get gear for pvp.

That is why it does not go both ways. It's between getting full 496 in a week, and weeks to get close to that in pve

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I'm sick of Blizzard messing up PvP by trying to make it more PvE friendly. Works both ways.

Yeeeaaaah no. This is first and foremost a PVE game. arenas was an after thought. This is why you get one new arena a x pack and we get tons of goodies.

The original point of PVP was for raiders to beat the shit out of eachother. Arena ruined that. BUT, Blizzard still seems to think it should be raiders beating on the other, so they refuse to change spells to be pvp and pve specific, or make a pvp spec for simple ass balancing

[ipoststuff]

Yeeeaaaah no. This is first and foremost a PVE game. arenas was an after thought. This is why you get one new arena a x pack and we get tons of goodies.

The original point of PVP was for raiders to beat the shit out of eachother. Arena ruined that. BUT, Blizzard still seems to think it should be raiders beating on the other, so they refuse to change spells to be pvp and pve specific, or make a pvp spec for simple ass balancing

Thats your opinion. PvP existed from the beginning. This game wouldnt be what it is today if it wasnt for pvp.

[PetersenIII]

anyone with me? i am sooooo tired of it . hunters are getting boned cause of it and so are locks.

I was sick of it 7 years ago... <.<


EDIT:

Thats your opinion. PvP existed from the beginning. This game wouldnt be what it is today if it wasnt for pvp.

You're right; it'd be better. =P

[Razorice]

I'm sick of PvE causing PvP nerfs.

[Viradiance]

I'm happy to have moved from Rogue to a tank. Brewmaster PVP ain't gonna ruin shit for me.

[macke]

well i guess i should add more.
stampede was a big dmg boost in pve and it is a lvl 87 skill the last one we learn. it SHOULD do high dmg.

Who says that? Lifeswap didn't do damage at all and it's a 87 ability

[Todgruppe]

Thats your opinion. PvP existed from the beginning. This game wouldnt be what it is today if it wasnt for pvp.

Yes, but you are confusing PvP, with Arenas. "PvP' is balanced around predominately around arena, secondary balance around BG's (small). Has been since its inception(Arena).

Hell, Rob Prado even said the implementation of Arenas was one of his biggest mistakes.

[Durandro]

Thats your opinion. PvP existed from the beginning. This game wouldnt be what it is today if it wasnt for pvp.

No, he said Arena was an afterthought. That's not an opinion.

PvP at launch was completely non-structured and had zero rewards. It was a throwaway addon that required a huge amount of work before it became a viable way to play the game.

Complain all you like, PvE was the original and main focus for WoW. It still is, and yet suffers because of PvP.

And yeah, PvP works better in PvE then PvE gear works in PvP. That's what PvP Power is for, and why it has no itemlevel budget anymore.

[Deleted]

stampede was a big dmg boost in pve and it is a lvl 87 skill the last one we learn. it SHOULD do high dmg.

something designed so retarded like stampede should never have come into the game

Hell, Rob Prado even said the implementation of Arenas was one of his biggest mistakes.

No, he bitched about how hard was the balancing after the implementation and said that they didn't except to have so much work afterwards. Just typical blizzard.

Yeeeaaaah no. This is first and foremost a PVE game. arenas was an after thought. This is why you get one new arena a x pack and we get tons of goodies.

goddies like LFR, watered down raids and dumbed down classes. k
and we dont even need more content, that why there are countless full private AT realms.

[macke]

Yeeeaaaah no. This is first and foremost a PVE game. arenas was an after thought. This is why you get one new arena a x pack and we get tons of goodies.

No. This is a RP game, sit down to your RPing overlords.

[Todgruppe]

something designed so retarded like stampede should never have come into the game



No, he bitched about how hard was the balancing after the implementation and said that they didn't except to have so much work afterwards. Just typical blizzard.

http://wow.joystiq.com/2009/11/13/bl...ere-a-mistake/

Pardo indicates that most of the changes to the game since launch have been a success -- the shrinking of raid sizes, the addition of Heroic dungeons, etc -- but that Arena has been a huge headache for Blizzard and players alike. He goes on to say that if he had the choice, he'd either go back to WoW's beginnings and change the fundamentals of class balance, or, barring that, would nix the decision to add Arenas during the development of the Burning Crusade expansion.

That's not to say they wouldn't have added it in WotLK, but he wasnt Lead Dev then so... yeah.

[Deleted]

http://wow.joystiq.com/2009/11/13/bl...ere-a-mistake/

Do you even read? They/he never said that arena was the mistakes, they bitched how much they have to work to please all of the playerbases. The only one that said arenas were a mistake was the article writer who lacks comprehension skills.

he even said in the full interview

I'm not sure that that was the right thing to do with the game.

and

If I could go back in time before we shipped WoW, I would have either made serious changes to basic class balance to facilitate that type of play, or if I went back to when we had the idea two years later, I would have said, "Maybe we shouldn't go there."

Doesn't sound like someone that would scrap of arenas. He isn't even sure about everything.

[Dammagia]

Who cares, it's PvE, if the boss dies it dies.

PvP competition is much more reliant on individual balance

And resilience only exists because PvE'ers (including me) want to see big numbers, which make zero difference at all, because it's relative anyway

PVP balance is a myth that PVP'r's constantly strive for, you can only get it in an FPS where skill is the only factor deciding a win (plus maybe a bit of luck).

The simple fact that players are using different classes and abilities has caused blizzard to strive to homogenise classes and make them less fun to play in PVE.

DK's are a prime example of this as upon launch they were highly survivable and a lot of fun to PVE but were completely OP in the hands of a medium skilled player in PVP hence they got nerfed to oblivion.

To my mind Blizzard should be spending more time adapting what the abilities of certain classes do to other players and getting the ratio of player health vs boss health back to original design levels, then the big numbers won't become such an issue.