WotLK ending left my had scratching

[Nalfeinn]

Its so bolvar can come to humanity rescue when the burning legion comes back

He has an entire army of the undead under his control and we all know is gonna be blizzards gonna use that

This was pretty much my thinking too. How can they not use that? que epic battle

[tankbug]

Thin? Maybe, but not contradictory.

Ner'zhul creates the Scourge.
Ner'zhul uses Frostmourne to corrupt Arthas and merge minds with him.
Arthas destroys the essence of Ner'zhul.
Whatever is left of Arthas' humanity keeps the Scourge from destroying everything.
Tirion destroys Frostmourne and Arthas is killed.
Uncorrupted Bolvar takes it on himself to become the Lich King in order to keep the scourge under control.


So, there hasn't always been a need for a lich king, but after the creation of the Scourge, someone must always be in control.
Maybe that control isn't great enough to make them destroy themselves completely.

[luccadeo]

The real question is why didn't Bolvar order the Scourge to kill all Horde in Northrend.

[Freshmint]

So...wow started 5 years after wc3...which I would venture wotlk started about 2 years after that...so, given that cata and mop have probably progressed over te course of 2-3 years max...we should know of bolvar's plans in about 5 years game time

[Deleted]

Wasnt it something to do with Cultists / necromancers , as they arent fully in crontrol of the lichking , so its making them feel at home?

[bloody251]

What if Bolvar (in ICC) is actually a Yogg-Saron's tentacle?

[Vaelorian]

Look its very easy:

Everyone prior in the helmet "Arthas" wore as an entity is DEAD/GONE. The helmet does apparantly have the power to command undead as a Lich King.

The question is: Why does Bolvar not turn undead on undead?

People keep repeating the lore and text that we got thrown at by Blizzard here in this thread. "There must always be a Lich King, else they would run rampant."

How could they run rampant if they were turned against eachother. Remember most of these minions are MINDLESS and thus have no idea what they do. Ergo if Bolvar truly has power over the undead, he COULD turn them against eachother. And indeed it is very BAD logic/writing from Blizzard. But it would suck having no undead in Azeroth anymore at the places we're used to seeing them. Sure new necromancers would be able to summon new/fresh undead etc. But then again if Bolvar truly has power over undead... these newly summoned undead would imo turn on their masters by orderof Bolvar. That ain't happening either.

So we have 2 options:

1. Bolvar is just strong enough to keep them from rampaging for good or ill.
2. Bolvar should be able to control undead as the Lich King could, but doesn't because Blizzard says so.

[Wildtree]

The WotLK ending is logic and at the same time a smart handling of story telling...

The story facts are: During the battle on the Wrath Gate both leaders Bolvar and Saurfang Jr fell into the hands of the scourge. Whether they both have been dead, or only Saurfang was dead, this can only be speculated. Yet the chances are high that Saurfang was dead and simply raised as a scourge. Yet Bolvar was still alive when captured.
He was an exceptionally gifted Paladin. Gifted with a pure heart and blessed above average with the strength of the light. It was strong enough, that the Lich King could not break his will and resistance. Despite of all the torture he put him through, including of burning him alive.
From that point of "superhuman" will power present in Bolvar, he took up the helm to take over the place of the Lich King. Because, there always has to be a Lich King. And if it wasn't for him, who knows who would have taken up the task. Bolvar became the Lich King to use his powers to control the Scourge.
The smart part of story telling comes to work right there...
What if Bolvars power of the light cannot succeed forever. What if he becomes also consumed by the powers of the Lich King. Then the cycle can renew and the Scourge can rise up again..

[Mormolyce]

To be honest... it didn't make a lot of sense. The only reason there must always be a Lich King is to contain the Scourge who serve him... he could make them all walk into fire and then commit suicide...

But you let it go because it's pretty cool :P

[RicardoZ]

Bolvar was tortured by the Lich King in an attempt to break his will so that he would become an agent of the scourge. The Lich King failed, demonstrating that Bolvar's will is stronger than that of the Lich King.

So, even though Bolvar is the current Lich King, he can keep the scourge in check because his good is stronger than the Lich King's urging to use the power to do evil.

It's not a plot hole. It's not that complicated.

[Bigbazz]

Exactly where are these undead causing the alliance/horde issues since the death of the Lich King?

[bloody251]

Bolvar was tortured by the Lich King in an attempt to break his will so that he would become an agent of the scourge. The Lich King failed, demonstrating that Bolvar's will is stronger than that of the Lich King.

So, even though Bolvar is the current Lich King, he can keep the scourge in check because his good is stronger than the Lich King's urging to use the power to do evil.

It's not a plot hole. It's not that complicated.

But why he didn't kill the scourge?

[Frozenbeef]

because they need a reason to bring the scourge back <3 to be honest i don't think we should have gone to northrend so early, should have had a scourge story revolving around eastern kingdoms/ kalimdor / outland then in a future expansion we could have gone to northrend kind of like in tbc we dealt with kj attacking azeroth leaving a future expansion open up to deal with k'j fully and saregas

[RicardoZ]

But why he didn't kill the scourge?

Because the Lich King's power is still strong enough to keep him from destroying the scourge, but his will is strong enough to balance it out by being able to resist the urge to abuse the power to conquer the world.

[Rumred]

Could be any number of things. As the new Lich King he may not have the same level of control that Arthas and Ner'zhul had and there is evidence to support this. The Scourge Forces in Strat and Scholo seem to be working for themselves now as the more intelligent have broken free. You also have a underking trying to become the new Lich Ling in EPL so he might not be able to simply order them to die or stand and let someone else do it. The best he might be able to do is to keep the large horde of undead in Northrend there.

Another is between the torture and becoming the Lich King he is no longer good per say and might have just played tirion for a fool to buy time to master his controle and regroup the scourge. I find it odd "there must always be a lich king" statement when at this point the majority of the scourge command was dead. Sure it might have been a long drawn out event to kill the main body of the scourge forces left but i mean their forces had to be on the breaking point with all their defeats and the forces of light besieging the very heart of the scourge. I doubt a fully intact army that was ready to purge the world of the liveing would of have allowed that. No the Lich King was playing his final hand and that was to kill and raise the might hereos of the horde and alliance and use them to replace his field commanders that had been lose during the War in Northrend. So i am not buying the whole "the scourge will become a even greater threat"

The third is that the new Lich King sees that there may come a time when a army of undead might be needed to defend against a even great foe such as the Legion or Old Gods. Cata would have been too soon to reveal a undead army the likes of that to help since the scourge would still be regrouping and the horde and alliance would not really be happy to see the scourge and a new Lich King RIGHT after they just fought a costly war against them. MoP the threat would hardly be to the level that would call for a scourge intervention if this theory is true

The fourth is maybe there is a larger civil war going on in the scourge then just the WPL and EPL breakaway. Maybe some of the remaining Lich Lords and Death Knights left after the fall of the lich king refuse to bow to this "Jailer of the Damned" and are fighting to bring the scourge back to what it was with each of them fighting to become the new lich king. Could be a united front against the Lich King or it might be every undead for him or herself.

Regardless we haven't seen the last of the scourge since if blizzard was done with them they would have just had it end there with the scourge destroyed and Bolivar returning to the alliance or going off on his own to find his place after being raised in undeath.

[zeropeorth]

The real question is why didn't Bolvar order the Scourge to kill all Horde in Northrend.

Didn't do 'Wrathgate', did you?

Bolvar had respect for Saurfang. He fought side by side horde when Putress popped in and dropped the 'new plague' on everyone at the gates, living, undead, horde, alliance ... and it was potent enough to push back the lich king.

Just because you rally behind a divisive thing like warring of the factions (which only weakens azeroth as a whole to its continuous world ending threats), doesn't mean all the npcs value your hate as well

[Maximus Testiculos]

I always wondered if the Lich King had some sort of perverted good intention in trying to convert the whole world to scourge. We know what Sylavanas experienced when she "died" made her move from wanting to end it all to wanting to extend her life indefinitely. What if the Lich King has similar views of what happens beyond the grave? If he did it would be a mercy of sorts to convert the world to undead (even if under his domination). It is a perverted kind of logic but in this view the Lich King would see himself as a force of good for the world saving it from the an eternity of darkness and torment though everlasting undeath.

He just wanted to be the king.

[Kelimbror]

Guys...the helm is the key. It cannot fall into the wrong hands, so it must be taken up by the helm bearer. It cannot be destroyed by any mortal or magical means, save for being cast into the fires of mount frost where it was forged. Since we don't know enough about the Necromancer's forging of the One Helm, it needs to be safeguarded until more research can be done.

Once Wrathion the Grey gathers a group of gnomes, dwarves, night elves, and humans...they can then form a fellowship to carry the One Helm into the heart of Mount Frost. Sadly, history predicts that Schmodo the Gnome and Sanjeet Gandhi the Gnome will be the ones to take this burden on their own.

How that will fare when the Irradiated Gnome Flollum seeks them out, from deep in his cave at Gnomeregon, is anyone's guess. Here's hoping we find out in the next, next expansion.

[Ellixen]

Because the Lich King's power is still strong enough to keep him from destroying the scourge, but his will is strong enough to balance it out by being able to resist the urge to abuse the power to conquer the world.

Bolvar is the Lich King, Arthas destroyed Ner'zhul and it is canon.

[rogueMatthias]

I kind of got the impression that the Lich King more has an influence over them as a whole than as a puppeteer controlling them all individually. kind of like controlling the direction of the flow of a river, without being able to destroy the water itself.