Why should Allie help troll vol'jin ? i mean really why.

[Granyala]

Simple: Working with them will save lots of alliance lives.
We WORK together against a common enemy.
Doesn't mean we TRUST or LIKE eachother.

[Deleted]

Geez i always knew night elves are pansies but to be this kind of pansies ? Can't they use chimeras or something ?

Seriously, is really that hard to grasp the concept of "empowerment" and "weapons of mass destruction"?

Last time the orcs were empowered, they almost conquered the Eastern Kingdoms, only to fail because of a Civil War.

[Kaos Incarnate]

It weakens Garrosh's forces through lack of supplies and keeping his army concentrated on keeping the rebellion suppressed.
It also means future treaties to deal with other potential threats may be upheld a lot quicker and longer (lore wise at least).

[Wildtree]

Well, you have the rebels to thank for that. Otherwise, Darnassus would be burning by now.

While I completely agree with you, in regard of events progression.. This tidbit would be an interesting challenge to pull off lore wise..
Because, with the exception of maybe Thrall, who went through a transition phase, Malfurion should be the most powerful of all the faction leaders. He'd have access to powers and forces far greater than the mortal armies from Garrosh.

[Deleted]

While I completely agree with you, in regard of events progression.. This tidbit would be an interesting challenge to pull off lore wise..
Because, with the exception of maybe Thrall, who went through a transition phase, Malfurion should be the most powerful of all the faction leaders. He'd have access to powers and forces far greater than the mortal armies from Garrosh.

Well, Garrosh managed to do it with Theramore, even striking down Rhonin. Considering that the Sunreavers did managed to inflitrate Darnassus in 5.1, if the plan was other then stealing the Bell...

[checking facts]

No, i just don't see how can he be so dangerous. Its not like he have anything that can threat stormwind or even darnassus.

He no longer have iris, no longer have support of belves and if alliance or rebels let him deploy another mana bomb this means they are idiots unable to shot down zeppelin.

what about that goblin canon in azshara that can either level stormwind or split the world in half? (goblins aren't really sure lol)

[Megalithic]

Because Garrosh grew into a racist nutcase who only considers his own kind as true Horde, and even Orcs...

He kicked all other races out of Orgrimmar center, put them in ghettos of Orgrimmar's outskirts... The Goblins are given slums.
He alienated all the other Horde factions leaders when they tried to reason with him.
And the last straw was the assassination of Vol'Jin. It was Vol'Jin by chance.. It could have been any of the other leaders instead, and it would have been them who'd been assassinated.

The Goblin slums look exactly like their home island does. It's a result of their polluting technology. I'm not sure how you classify the other racial areas of Orgrimmar as "ghettos". They look just like the Orc portions of Ogrimmar (dirty, dusty and low-class looking architecture).

Vol'Jin left Orgrimmar of his own accord, and while doing so also threatened Garrosh's life, specifically threatening to kill him from behind with an arrow. So don't you think Garrosh had justification for removing some of Vol'Jin's allies from the center of Orgrimmar? And maybe an assassination attempt on Vol'Jin is preemptive self-defense?

[Chrysia]

The Goblin slums look exactly like their home island does. It's a result of their polluting technology. I'm not sure how you classify the other racial areas of Orgrimmar as "ghettos". They look just like the Orc portions of Ogrimmar (dirty, dusty and low-class looking architecture).

Vol'Jin left Orgrimmar of his own accord, and while doing so also threatened Garrosh's life, specifically threatening to kill him from behind with an arrow. So don't you think Garrosh had justification for removing some of Vol'Jin's allies from the center of Orgrimmar? And maybe an assassination attempt on Vol'Jin is preemptive self-defense?

Vol'jin specifically threatened Garrosh because Garrosh made it clear he had an "orcs over all" attitude and cared fuck all for the rest of the Horde.

[Arrashi]

what about that goblin canon in azshara that can either level stormwind or split the world in half? (goblins aren't really sure lol)

I thought that goblins joined rebelion, that's why garrosh needed to hire goblin mercenaries. Gob squad working for vol'jin seems to confirm that.

[Trassk]

The bigger question is what kind of dumbass wouldn't work with those fighting against garrosh to put an end to him? Really, who could be that stupid when you need as much force to take him down as you can, and just because you may hold a childish grudge against the horde, doesn't mean you can't make use of the situation to put an end to the real threat.

[checking facts]

I thought that goblins joined rebelion, that's why garrosh needed to hire goblin mercenaries. Gob squad working for vol'jin seems to confirm that.

goblins are... well, goblins. they'll work for whoever pays them well. some goblins will join the revolution because garrosh didn't want to pay them (like those in the dark heart of pandaria scenario). others will help him out if he shows them da golds.

the goblin squad joined vol'jin, but we don't know about the ones responsible for the cannon. if I were garrosh (eww), I'd secure that cannon lol

[Deleted]

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

no.
the enemy of my enemy is also my enemy, but I will deal with them later.

[Deleted]

Vol'Jin left Orgrimmar of his own accord, and while doing so also threatened Garrosh's life, specifically threatening to kill him from behind with an arrow. So don't you think Garrosh had justification for removing some of Vol'Jin's allies from the center of Orgrimmar? And maybe an assassination attempt on Vol'Jin is preemptive self-defense?

Vol'jin left Orgrimmar after Garrosh pushed the Darkspear out of the inner circle.

[Auxis]

the alliance isn't going there to troll vol'jin. they're going there to take garrosh down, making use of the fact that vol'jin is making a revolution in there.

if they were going there to troll vol'jin, they'd ask him why arthas' horse's name is invincible when we all can see it lol

Do people actually think that's what invincible means? Or is that part of the joke?

I'm somewhat immune to sarcasm :|

[Arrashi]

goblins are... well, goblins. they'll work for whoever pays them well. some goblins will join the revolution because garrosh didn't want to pay them (like those in the dark heart of pandaria scenario). others will help him out if he shows them da golds.

the goblin squad joined vol'jin, but we don't know about the ones responsible for the cannon. if I were garrosh (eww), I'd secure that cannon lol

You are making logical mistake here. Securing canon and bilgewater port makes sense. Garrosh as warcraft villain is too stupid and incompetent to make good decision. Instead he will grow more tantacles.

[checking facts]

Do people actually think that's what invincible means? Or is that part of the joke?

I'm somewhat immune to sarcasm :|

it's part of the joke. when you say things like "why is the horse called invincible when we can see it?" or "x-box 360 is called like that because you turn 360 and walk away", people tend to get all angry and hurry to correct this person. that's essencially what trolling is about: to purposefully act in a way that will draw a negative reaction from other people.

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You are making logical mistake here. Securing canon and bilgewater port makes sense. Garrosh as warcraft villain is too stupid and incompetent to make good decision. Instead he will grow more tantacles.

as a warlock who keeps 2 different tentacle sets for transmog, I will say this now:

garrosh... doesn't... deserve... TO BE A TENTACLE MONSTER! ROAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR!

[Cannis866]

I don't think that garrosh could stand against 3 gunships with escort of gryphon riders. The story is stupid as hell and filled with so many plot holes its actually funny.

I agree the story does have a lot of plot holes, it's not like Wrath where we got to see the Lich king many times throughout the xpac. We saw him show up in many quests and instances. You got to see him transform, like how arthas voice got deeper and darker from the start of the xpac all the way to the end. Where you also got to see arthas get rid of what ever good side was to him. With Garrosh you saw that little spat with him and voljin and the start, you saw him deal with that orc who dropped the bomb on that school. Then you just start reading the 180 they took with him in the patch notes and everything he has done from there on.

[Chrysia]

You are making logical mistake here. Securing canon and bilgewater port makes sense. Garrosh as warcraft villain is too stupid and incompetent to make good decision. Instead he will grow more tantacles.

Or, you know, 0 tentacles.

Lots of eyes and spikes, though.

[checking facts]

Or, you know, 0 tentacles.

Lots of eyes and spikes, though.

garrosh was already tiny headed, but this model makes his head appear to be non-existent lol

[Boottybounce]

The way I see it, if the Alliance didn't help the Horde get rid of Garrosh, they probably still would. It might take them longer than it would with Alliance helping them but it would get done. Where does that leave us as Alliance? If Garrosh takes over all of Kalimdor the Night Elves will have to run, and quite some neutral Goblin civilizations, I doubt would last. We're saving our behinds by getting rid of Garrosh as soon as we can.