I'd rather see all faction leaders die than Taran Zhu.
I'd rather see all faction leaders die than Taran Zhu.
The night is dark and full of terrors...
They kind of miss how we caused everything we saved him from. There's a lot that goes on in quest chatter and gossip that a lot of players, even the lorehounds, seem to miss and it's a key reason why you can't just skip questlines in Pandaria if you want to know the full story. Bits like where Cho notes the Sha were only this powerful in legend, the mantid swarm coming a century early, the yaungol being driven mad with rage, the keepers of the Temple of the Jade Serpent being overcome by doubt...
As for 5.4, I'd say at this point he no longer has a legitimate, rational reason to continue trusting outsiders. Every time he has, he got burned, hard: he lets them stay in Pandaria, and the Sha grow at a quadratic rate. He lets them stay after they help him sort all that shit they caused out, and the main armies arrive and turn Kasarang's beaches into red mud. He lets them into the Vale at Xuen's urging, and the Horde digs up a chunk of it, steals everything of value, and the Kor'kron steal an Old God's heart for use against the Alliance and in conquering the continent. He gives them a season to sort out their shit after twice reconsidering his response to the Vale's desecration, and now half the Vale is Sha-scarred and the waters that are vital to all life on Pandaria have dried up. The guy has literally no reason to go on faith in regards to the Alliance and Horde anymore; in fact, all we've really done is justify his xenophobia.
Be seeing you guys on Bloodsail Buccaneers NA!
i like him. he doesnt put up with bullshit. doesnt believe in handouts either. just cuz the faction saved the world once doesnt mean they get a free pass to everything.
Blood Elves were based on a STRONG request from a poll of Asian players where many remarked on the Horde side that they and their girlfriends wanted a non-creepy femme race to play (Source)
k well at least there's an explanation as to why he deserves to die... and not just someone saying he should, right?
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to look from his logs.(dorens)
right break down then.Landfall!
We engaged a Horde fleet many times our number in a series of sporadic encounters throughout the night. Our losses were high, but we gave more than we got. We took advantage of a dense fog that cloaked our movements; no doubt they thought our numbers were much greater, hence they fled southeast by morning light.
We were astounded to discover a great cliff wall as the fog burned away. Land! It's not on any of our charts. I've messaged the Skyseeker in order to arrange for air support.
Day 2
The Skyseeker has arrived and dispatched its gyrocopters. This is no mere uncharted island - we have discovered an entire continent! I will begin shuttling men and materials up the cliff walls immediately. From this higher ground, we will have a commanding view of the nearby seas.
Communication among the fleet is sporadic and confusing. The Horde seems to be everywhere at once; we have lost contact with Admiral Taylor's flagship, which likely engaged the Horde fleet we thumped a couple of days ago. Light help him; they were out or blood.
With no news from Stormwind, I am going to take the initiative and secure this land.
Day 5
The Skyseeker has left behind a full complement of gyrocopters to help us construct a base. My men have claimed a series of abandoned ruins as a stronghold. The ruins and surrounding jungle are too dangerous for air traffic, we've been using some clearings to the south as a temporary airbase.
This morning we made our first contact with the natives. They are pandaren! I didn't think they were real. Could this be some sort of mythical pandaren homeland?
Day 7
The pandaren are full of questions, but no help at all. I admit I'm feeling immensely uneasy, and I can't put my finger on why. It seems like all of my doubts are magnified here. The Horde will come back; I am certain of it. How many will come? Will they come by sea or by air? I must be ready!
The men are working double-time with half rations. The pandaren have offered food in trade but are not interested in Stormwind promissory notes and laugh at the quality of our steel. For some reason, this makes me furious. Do they know that they are about to be in the middle of a battlefield?
Day 9
The Skyseeker reported that it picked up Horde prisoners from an engagement at sea this morning, then suddenly fell silent. I fear the worst.
Actually, I fear a lot of things. We're alone here. Reinforcements from Stormwind are weeks away. Taylor's flagship is missing, and now the Skyseeker is silent. Are we losing the war at sea? Doubts churn within me. I can't think straight. I swear my skin is losing color. What is wrong with me?
Day 12
Every day I scan the horizon for Horde airships. We are not ready. Our airbase is in shambles, with a half-complete tower. Some pandaren have offered to help, and I've drafted them.
Years ago, I once hunted down Colonel Kurzen when madness overtook him in Stranglethorn. I never understood his spiral into darkness until now. I am alone. At night I lie awake in the oppressive heat, and swear the shadows are whispering to me of my own demise. Must get that airbase finished. I'll clap the pandaren in manacles if I have to. The Horde... The Horde...
Day 14
Woke up to news of a signal flare from off the coast. There's a shadow moving through the fog. A horde gunship?
I've dispatched a messenger to scramble the gyrocopters. They may not get here in time. Ordering everyone to the guns. This is it.
I feel overpowered with anger and dread. I am not myself. Perhaps in victory I will find solace?
If it is truly a single Horde airship, then they stand no chance. We will decimate them.
1. He TAKES the initative to make a base and everything etc.
2. Pandaren Helps the Alliance at first
3. he then chains them after going down the same spiral his former commander did. aka hes gone mental.
#boycottchina
I know he's much deeper than we give him credit for and appropriate for his role, but I can't help but agree with this thread. It would make me quite happy to have someone kill this guy.
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My problem with his feelings though is that he's aware of the fact one faction is doing stuff the other is not. We see this pretty clearly in 5.3 (iirc or was it 5.2...) where he gives the Horde their ultimatum. So he's demonstrated that he doesn't lump them all together. But he does it anyway in 5.4. My hope is that when he refers to the "outsiders" in 5.4 he simply means the Horde.
I've just realised I need to not relapse with this post so i'll keep it very brief. But what I'm saying is that as you've noted it was the Horde that crossed the line, twice now. Zhu knows this, but says otherwise. It feel forced to me that he would call the Alliance out on the Horde's actions.
5.0 and 5.2 both justified his dislike for us yet we scraped by because of our actions helping them. Since then the cock ups haven't come from both factions, but simply one of them.
I still love him as a character, I'm just not content with this however.
Last edited by Scummer; 2013-07-02 at 08:39 AM.
He is beyond reason now, the alliance caries some of the guilt but nearly not as much as the horde, but for Zhu it doesn't matter anymore the outsiders caused his beloved homeland to suffer, which is true though not to same extent. He just hates us, from his perspective we are like a choice between pest and cholera.
Last edited by Combatbutler; 2013-07-02 at 08:52 AM.
I don't think he "hates" us. He can't afford to after being possessed by the Sha. I kinda of view his actions in 5.4 as similar to back at secondary school where if one chap misbehaved the whole class got detention. It just seems silly to me. Yet during 5.3 he gave his ultimatum to the Horde exclusively for their actions so this can't be about prejudice towards the outsiders when he did that. From what I've heard from early spoilers as well from Shadows of the Horde Zhu very much realises that both factions are different.
I am quite sure he hates us, he says we did more harm to Pandaria than the Mantid and the Mogu combined. Only because the Alliance did less harm does not mean they get a free pass though, they did harm Pandaria and as such he does not look favorably on them either. I am quite certain he dislikes the Horde a lot more.
Last edited by Combatbutler; 2013-07-02 at 09:41 AM.
He's justified in his cynicism, but even then I don't appreciate his constant bitching, especially since we have dealt with all their domestic problems where they themselves weren't able. Still, his death is not necessary, I enjoy just to see him suffer. We won't remain on his precious continent for long, anyway.
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