Why Melee >> Wizards Come 5.4

[Sicarius87]

Assassination is more or less in the same spot now as it was back in wrath with the addition of shadowstep and mastery.

[Deleted]

You do realize the frost mage nerf isnt really a nerf at all? and yes killing spree got reverted.

No more deep nukes = no nerf? Lol.

The mage nerf is barely a nerf in PvE. The only time it'll lower your damage is in add situations where your Deep is the first stun to be thrown (so you don't miss out because of the DR). It has no impact on bosses/adds that can not be frozen at all.

But in PvP?... You won't have extra damage from ice lance spam during deeps, so now you'll have to rely on alter time and procs for your bursts during your deeps.

I'm not saying that this is a good, nor a bad nerf, I'm just saying that it is in fact a nerf.

[Methusula]

Indeed. Wooty is either trolling or ignorant. It was admitted to be a nerf when GC was asked about it on Twitter. They don't want burst and CC to be so closely tied together. Too bad it took them this embarrassingly long to realize that was the issue with Frost mastery and the difficulty balancing Frost PvP and PvE.

[Beefkow]

But in PvP?... You won't have extra damage from ice lance spam during deeps, so now you'll have to rely on alter time and procs for your bursts during your deeps.

I'm not saying that this is a good, nor a bad nerf, I'm just saying that it is in fact a nerf.

Lol, i am still receiving 70k ice lances and 80k frostfire bolts outside of freeze (as a 25% defensive stance warrior).

Mages didn't receive any nerfs as far as i am concerned.

[Teokis]

Unless i'm reading it wrong, affliction will be fine next patch.

Soul Swap looks like you just need to put dots up one time and just soul swap them all over the place.

[Deleted]

Unless i'm reading it wrong, affliction will be fine next patch.

Soul Swap looks like you just need to put dots up one time and just soul swap them all over the place.

Spreading will be slower due to 2 gcd's and soul swap doesn't refresh duration on spreaded dots.
I hope they make the dot power competitive for the kjc nerfs and ss "nerf".

[Deleted]

You are boggling my mind.

they "nerfed" casting, so you will see more and more mages just jumping around throwing instants instead.

Indeed. Wooty is either trolling or ignorant. It was admitted to be a nerf when GC was asked about it on Twitter. They don't want burst and CC to be so closely tied together. Too bad it took them this embarrassingly long to realize that was the issue with Frost mastery and the difficulty balancing Frost PvP and PvE.

it will mean more and more mages will go for living bomb instead of frost bomb and never cast anything else with a cast time apart from polymorph. if you knew anything about pvp, this "nerf" will only make casting actual cast time spells useless and promotes spamming of instants instead. you might not die inside the deep but have fun trying to kick a mage that doesnt have to cast anything to kill you.

[Lulbalance]

Unless i'm reading it wrong, affliction will be fine next patch.

Soul Swap looks like you just need to put dots up one time and just soul swap them all over the place.

you're reading them right, but swapping doesnt refresh duration anymore.. also neither does FF. basically a game play change.

OT or at least on the thread of conversation.. mages aren't that bad off. lol.. but they did eat a nerf - they're just fine withstanding, imo.

[Mican17]

they "nerfed" casting, so you will see more and more mages just jumping around throwing instants instead.



it will mean more and more mages will go for living bomb instead of frost bomb and never cast anything else with a cast time apart from polymorph. if you knew anything about pvp, this "nerf" will only make casting actual cast time spells useless and promotes spamming of instants instead. you might not die inside the deep but have fun trying to kick a mage that doesnt have to cast anything to kill you.

The instants (i.e. ice lance) in 5.4 do less damage unless they are instants from procs (i.e. FoF). It is a nerf no matter how you try to spin it.