http://www.wowhead.com/quest=28324
We used a fairly potent strain of blight against the humans of Southshore. As you can see, it worked. The trouble with blight use, though, is that blight tends to stick around after it's served its purpose.
http://www.wowhead.com/quest=28324
We used a fairly potent strain of blight against the humans of Southshore. As you can see, it worked. The trouble with blight use, though, is that blight tends to stick around after it's served its purpose.
This is what the Forsaken Plague is going to undo. I do not understand what you are trying to convey. That the Forsaken plague won't disrupt the ecosystem and corrupt the land? On what ground are you making that assumption?
Go look at Southshore. Granted that was a more powerful strain. Yet they still had to test to see how long it would be until it was habitable. Something that has to be tested for such things is going to affect the ecosystem.
It is a Plague. It was designed and distributed to kill everything.
Do you know the definition of plague?
The Forsaken Blight is a disease. It is even referred to as one when it was made.
I think you should play through the Forsaken content and get your definitions straight on what a disease is. You are also saying some things that make no sense whatsoever such as "It's just a destructive weapon, not an infecting device.". Sorry but the two are the same it is an "infecting device", that is the weapon.
At this point I do not know what you are trying to argue.
You've said that the Forsaken Blight is not a disease. This is false.
You've said that it's a biological weapon not a tool to spread infection. The two are the same.
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Scourge Plague was a contagious disease that incubated in an infected person over a span of days. This allowed for widespread contamination far beyond ground zero which was the intent.
Forsaken Blight is fast acting and kills almost immediately. There is practically no risk of contamination spreading beyond ground zero. It is more akin to a radiation or a gas chemical bomb.
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There's trees and grass growing in the contaminated area. Doesn't look like it's infecting the habitat with decay the way Scourge Plague does. It's more like a radiation or a chemical bomb.
I beg to differ. The presence of Blight Slimes and Infested Fawns, Bears and their Cubs post-cataclysm suggests it IS a disease.
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There's no living grass inside Southshore, and the trees are clearly affected, look at their color. They're black while the trees in the backround are green.
Not so sure about that. The missions in WC3 would indicate that death is almost instant upon contracting the plague where missions would show villagers going back into their houses and immediately emerging as a zombies.
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Zul just got his definitions muddled up. It is factually a disease. There is no debate about that.
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But they're all grey and dead?
You know those infested animals have nothing to do with Blight right? They are nowhere near Southshore and they are infested with SPIDERS.
You know where else slimes show up? Outside Gnomerigan where there is radioactive contamination.
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If the Forsaken were all about plaguing the land, why is their territory uncorrupted? Tarren Mill is lush and vibrantly green. Silverpine is thickly forested. No part of Forsaken territory looks like the Plaguelands that wasn't already that way because of the Scourge.
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For twist the ecosystem you have to provoke a grave unbalance in the nature itself. This is what the Plauge of Undeath caused, because corrupted everything, in every form, the whole meaning of the Scourge and its plague was to eradicate life itself; obviously that caused a devasting unbalance, and what Druids are meant for is, indeed, restore balance in a place where this balance has been compromised.
No, it's a chemical weapon intended to kill everyone in its area of effect. Not spread elsewhere far by that, viciously infecting the land and desecrating it. It doesn't cause unbalance, because doesn't affect anything else apart the hit zone, and even the said zone can recover in due time. Damn, in Southshore there is just destruction, indeed, the blight is everywhere, but the trees and plants around are sane, the ground far a bunch of yards by it have plenty of verdant grass.It is a Plague. It was designed and distributed to kill everything.
There is no sign of infection on it, and hints suggesting a land becoming tainted aren't present. This means that the Blight didn't spread at all to zones not directly hit by it.
Yeah, I know the definition of plague, but you clearly not. Anyway when I used disease in that quote, I intended a viral disease. With the simple definition of "disease" is intended any kind of agent, contracted in various ways, that afflict an organism and make it feel "sick", which can be the case, for example, of a bacterian; the Blight just act in this way, with a violent reaction that kill almost instantly organisms, even undead.Do you know the definition of plague?
The Forsaken Blight is a disease. It is even referred to as one when it was made.
A plague is not just a disease, it's a viral infection, that after having infected an organism, quickly find ways for spreading, infecting other organisms, used as hosts for affect a greater number of organisms, until the infection completely go out of control. That's how the Plague of Undeath worked.
I think you should seriously reconsider your definition of "plague".I think you should play through the Forsaken content and get your definitions straight on what a disease is. You are also saying some things that make no sense whatsoever such as "It's just a destructive weapon, not an infecting device.". Sorry but the two are the same it is an "infecting device", that is the weapon.
It's a disease, like anything that affect organisms. The reason for which the Blight kill persons is indeed because act like a powerful devouring disease, killing them in no time.You've said that the Forsaken Blight is not a disease. This is false.
But is NOT a plague, it is NOT a viral disease. It doesn't spread from the zone hit by the bombs, since doesn't seem to affect nature at all, not even the zone directly hit by a concentrated version of the Blight; seriously, there is a completely sane, green tree in the middle of a Blight pool, and ironically the gray ones are excatly those more distant by area of "contamination", which implies that the state of those trees are absolutely indipendent by the effects of the Blight.
But regardless of its properties, hosts are killed so quickly that they have no chance of spreading anything to animals or other humanoids regardless.
Biological weapons are weapons developed, indeed, in a "biological" way, using living organisms instead of steel, explosive and fire. This doesn't mean that such a weapon have always to spread as a viral infection out of control. The only infection brought is to the unlucky ones hit by the bombs. Plus, the Blight can be defined more as a chemical weapon, than a biological one, anyway. (even if the difference could not be huge, by this point of view.)You've said that it's a biological weapon not a tool to spread infection. The two are the same.
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A zombie, a ghoul, almost any melee unit in the Scourge was able to easily spread the plague, it's sufficient a bite or a scratch and you're infected, like Romero taught to us. The victims of the Blight just die. They don't turn in mindless zombies going around and infecting everything they have contact with. They just die there, they don't go anywhere, let alone that everything hint that the Blight don't have the same viral properties of the Plague, since it doesn't spread and desecrate plants and nature in general in the same way.
Zulkhan, wrong. The Forsaken aren't affected by the New Plague as much as the Living. The area won't be habitable by living species for Hundreds of years, as for the Forsaken, only a dozen will suffice.
Also, look that green tree, and then at those in the background. The first seems much less healthy, and even looks like it has taken the Blight's color. There is no living grass inside of Southshore and not a single plant lives in the nearby farm.
Don't tell me anymore that the tree in the fuckin' blightpool is healthy. It is clearly corrupted.
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Nope, he was exiled. Eitrigg was to be executed.
Not as much as the living. See how fast orcs and humans turned into goo while the Lich King only coughed at Wrath Gate? I know he is viewed as a demi-god by some people, yet, there's a huge difference in damage caused.
Read more carefully. I never said they weren't affected, but much less than living beings.
And yes it is, else, all those gnomes would've died. But I still consider that area to be heavily corrupted. And so you have acknowledged the Southshore area is corrupted aswell.
Finally, no, Forsaken aren't physically identical. Ghouls and Skeletons don't even look like the playable Undeads' cousins, cause they're not the same. The Forsaken still have organs, a mind, and eat mushrooms.
Yes, Arthas didn't instantly die because he's fucking Arthas. All his Scourge minions keeled over.
There's a difference between contaminated and corrupted. Plague corrupts, it changes the physical properties of the lifeforms affected to have undead qualities. Blight contaminates, it makes the immediate area hazardous to life and kills things that are there too long.
Umm... Forsaken were Scourge... They are physically identical.
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Still, he wasn't a god.
Hmm, yeah... Plague is magical, Blight is biological. To me, contaminate and corrupt are synonyms in this discussion. The wildlife is killed or corrupted by the Blight. It's simply not the same corruption as the original Plague's, yet still as bad.
Yes, but a different "race" of undead. After they betrayed Arthas, the Scourge only had a few Forsaken-type scientists remaining(4-5).
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Please show me wildlife corrupted by Blight. And before you say infested bears, etc again: Those infested animals have nothing to do with Blight. They are nowhere near Southshore and they are infested with SPIDERS. There are plenty of turtles swimming happily in the river right at the edge of Southshore completely unaffected.
There are tons of "Forsaken type" undead in the Scourge. Like almost the entire population of Lordaeron plus the Northrend humans Ner'zhul experimented on. Only a small fraction broke free to become the Forsaken.
I already told you about the trees, grass, and farms.
As for the Scourge. No, they do not have that type of undead in great numbers anymore. The Lordaeron undead as you say, ARE the Forsaken, as for the Northrend Humans tested on, that was before the events of WoW.
Nope, the "New Plague" was specifically designed for kill undead in the same manner of the living. Forsaken are undead, so they will die in the same way.
Let's even consider that this is true, who cares? Just right outside of the contaminated perimeter there are verdant grass and healthy trees. You saw how Brill is structured? Those trees in the middle of ex-Southshore would be just cut off anyway, and the "new" Southshore would be builded in a similar fashioned town, when the zone will not be "off limits" anymore. It's something the land could "survive" without becoming the new Plaguelands, trust me.Don't tell me anymore that the tree in the fuckin' blightpool is healthy. It is clearly corrupted.
Are you seriously using the Lich King as "common" comparison? The Lich King was not just "viewed" as a demi-god, he was a god-like being, for a good amount of reasons. Maybe you haven't noticed it in the Wrathgate cinematic, but the moment the scene is turned towards the Lich King, his undead lackeys fall down instantly.
Undead are always undead. The Blight is designed for kill everything in the Scourge with the same efficiency; the Forsaken are not an exception, since they were part of the same stuff, they have just free will now. Saying that Forsaken are biologically different by the rest of the Scourge is like saying that the High Elves are biologically different by the Blood Elves.Finally, no, Forsaken aren't physically identical. Ghouls and Skeletons don't even look like the playable Undeads' cousins, cause they're not the same. The Forsaken still have organs, a mind, and eat mushrooms.
Still grass and shrubs. Notice the distinct lack of corruption of those cows? They were killed, they weren't infected with undeath. Blight contaminates, it doesn't corrupt.
Maybe that farm is barren because nobody is farming there... The farm in Tarren Mill is also barren and there was no Blight bombing there.
Again. Only a small fraction of Scourge broke free and became Forsaken. Blight was designed to kill undead, Forsaken are undead.
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No duh! Only, but almost all of, forsaken-type left the Scourge. Ghouls, geists, skeletons and other shits are still in there.
Well, either it is an Easter egg suggesting that Chris Metzen is Hindu(jk, do you get it?) or Blizzard was to lazy to make blighted-cow-corpses, because it is the same New Plague which turned the Forces at the Wrath Gate into piles of goo.
*note*: This has nothing to do with the Argent Crusade anymore, I hope moderators won't see it. xD