Warcraft: The Rules of War?

[Faroth]

The Legion's goal isn't conquest. It's the destruction of every Titan planet in the universe.

In practice, the Legion scours all life from the worlds it invades.

Theramore won't be inhabitable for years, decades, maybe ever. Vale of Eternal Blossoms is destroyed thanks to Garrosh with no regard given to the consequence.

Garrosh's Horde doesn't seem to be building new lives in the places it conquers so much as destroying what's there, taking what they want, and moving on. I'm not seeing a vast difference in his conquest and the Legion's version. They exist to conquer Titan worlds and return them to chaos rather than order.

If you can't see how the Horde would see Theramore's desolation of all forms of life as being a parallel to the destruction of the Legion, and how Garrosh's Horde is intentionally a parallel to the bloodlust Horde of the Legion, I dunno what more to say. I thought it was rather obvious that was Blizzard's intention with the story heading down this path with Garrosh being more and more extreme.

[Dreknar20]

i bet you when stuff goes south you'll do anything to win.

Likewise, this isnt a soccer game, its war
A differnece between life and death, the prospering of your nation or just becoming a page in a history book.

[Faroth]

Given the fact that they failed to conquer azeroth like 5 times already, i wouldnt say that they are hopping from planet to planet. More like "suffering humiliating defeat after defeat because your leader is potato".

We don't know that they suffer defeat on other planets.

WE R SPESHUL!

[Dreknar20]

people aren't able to live there anymore, it's like the bombs on japan, people weren't able to live there too anymore.

better to own damaged land then to leave not damaged land in the hands of your enemy

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Garrosh is that kind of person if he sees that he can't win the normal way then he will be that asshole that will use other things to try to win, aka nukes.

errrr.......in war the stakes are kinda high....its not the same as a chess game
If you cant win "normally" why shouldt u look for not so normal ways? Thats how guerilla warfare came about

[Faroth]

lol there are some things in that I think are bullshit

If Garrosh had any honor, he'd put down his rock, Varian would put down his sword, and they'd kill each other like civilized people!

[Aquamonkey]

Attacking a land with just rock and stone is different then atomic bombing it.

people aren't able to live there anymore, it's like the bombs on japan, people weren't able to live there too anymore.

That's wasted ground.

And if Garrosh will live, then he will do this again for sure.
Garrosh is that kind of person if he sees that he can't win the normal way then he will be that asshole that will use other things to try to win, aka nukes.

This is nothing new to nukes. Ever hear of salting the earth to make land uninhabitable?

[Faroth]

better to own damaged land then to leave not damaged land in the hands of your enemy

Until you do it so much that Durotar is the most flourishing land left and you kinda screwed up what you set out to do in the first place.

Man, that's a "What If" story all in itself there.
Hmmm....Blizzard could do a lot of awesome "What If..." stories like Marvel used to.

[Dreknar20]

Until you do it so much that Durotar is the most flourishing land left and you kinda screwed up what you set out to do in the first place.

Losing the war against the Alliance has the same effect

[Aquamonkey]

In practice, the Legion scours all life from the worlds it invades.

Theramore won't be inhabitable for years, decades, maybe ever. Vale of Eternal Blossoms is destroyed thanks to Garrosh with no regard given to the consequence.

Garrosh's Horde doesn't seem to be building new lives in the places it conquers so much as destroying what's there, taking what they want, and moving on. I'm not seeing a vast difference in his conquest and the Legion's version. They exist to conquer Titan worlds and return them to chaos rather than order.

If you can't see how the Horde would see Theramore's desolation of all forms of life as being a parallel to the destruction of the Legion, and how Garrosh's Horde is intentionally a parallel to the bloodlust Horde of the Legion, I dunno what more to say. I thought it was rather obvious that was Blizzard's intention with the story heading down this path with Garrosh being more and more extreme.

There is a difference. Garrosh nuked Theramore to cripple the Alliance's military so it would be easier to conquer the rest of Kalimdor and get those resources. The Legion kills everything just to kill everything, there is no greater plan.

[Faroth]

Losing the war against the Alliance has the same effect

The Alliance never waged war on the Horde. They've been entirely on the offensive!

Which, I would like to once again point out, remains the beautiful perfection of the Twilight Hammer's perfectly executed ploy. All of Mists of Pandaria is a direct result of the Twilight Hammer possibly even more than anything Garrosh did.

[Dreknar20]

The Legion kills everything just to kill everything.

Join the Legion today!
See new Worlds! Meet New races! Then destroy them all!

[Zaelsino]

Join the Legion today!
See new Worlds! Meet New races! Then destroy them all!

"Join us and we'll kill your worthless mortal selves quickly" is a better slogan IMO.

[Faroth]

There is a difference. Garrosh nuked Theramore to cripple the Alliance's military so it would be easier to conquer the rest of Kalimdor and get those resources. The Legion kills everything just to kill everything.

But that's not true either. If it were, there would be no eredar lords, no nathrezim, no succubi or imps, etc. All these members of the Legion come from worlds of their own, so they don't kill just to kill. They seek to unravel the structured order.

For example, the Legion apparently don't really have much interest in doing anything to Durotar. It is as it is, not what the Titans made it. The only interest they had in the planet was the draenei and orcs as a tool to use against Azeroth.

We can't be totally sure, but thus far what we know of Sargeras is he's focused on Titan touched planets. If the planet is in its original, natural and thus chaotic state, he doesn't really care.

Hell, as much chaos as the mortals of Azeroth cause, one wonders if we do Sargeras proud more than the Legion. If not for that pesky Well of Eternity's power.

[Dreknar20]

The Alliance never waged war on the Horde. They've been entirely on the offensive!

yet losing the war against the Alliance will have as much disaster to the Horde as throwing around crazy weapons

[Faroth]

yet losing the war against the Alliance will have as much disaster to the Horde as throwing around crazy weapons

Logically, it would now after all that's happened.

Realistically.....nah, it won't do anything. Ya'll gon' be okay.

Damn those Twilight cultists in Ashenvale.

[Dreknar20]

Damn those Twilight cultists in Ashenvale.

The Horde and Alliance were resentful toward each other even without the Cultists doing their thing

[Faroth]

The Horde and Alliance were resentful toward each other even without the Cultists doing their thing

Resentful, yes, but it was the sentinels who were skinned alive and the Horde symbol painted on trees in their blood that caused the Night Elves to end the Horde's hunting and foresting rights in Ashenvale and put up trade blockades in the area, causing stress on the Horde's dwindling resources after Cataclysm.

It was honestly the catalyst that sparked Garrosh's push to open war. If that hadn't happened, he would not have had as much reason and support for open war to take what they wanted (and needed).

Plus, the Alliance thinking the Horde was responsible for the attacks only added fuel to the fire. Prior to all this, there were newly establish peace treaties in place after Northrend.

And neither side knows the truth to this day.

[Deleted]

There are no rules in war.

The only people who are crying are Alliance who think it's unfair for whatever reason.

[Aquamonkey]

But that's not true either. If it were, there would be no eredar lords, no nathrezim, no succubi or imps, etc. All these members of the Legion come from worlds of their own, so they don't kill just to kill. They seek to unravel the structured order.

For example, the Legion apparently don't really have much interest in doing anything to Durotar. It is as it is, not what the Titans made it. The only interest they had in the planet was the draenei and orcs as a tool to use against Azeroth.

We can't be totally sure, but thus far what we know of Sargeras is he's focused on Titan touched planets. If the planet is in its original, natural and thus chaotic state, he doesn't really care.

Hell, as much chaos as the mortals of Azeroth cause, one wonders if we do Sargeras proud more than the Legion. If not for that pesky Well of Eternity's power.

I already said earlier, "The Legion's goal isn't conquest. It's the destruction of every Titan planet in the universe."

The Legion conscripts forces so it can destroy Titan planets for the sake of destroying those planets. The end goal is to destroy.

Garrosh destroys so he can ensure the prosperity of his people. The end goal is to help his people.

For example, the Legion apparently don't really have much interest in doing anything to Durotar. It is as it is, not what the Titans made it. The only interest they had in the planet was the draenei and orcs as a tool to use against Azeroth.

You talking about Draenor? KJ's hunting Velen had nothing to do with the Legion's goal. It was KJ's goal to use the Orcs as a tool against the Draenei.

It wasn't until later that Sargeras heard about the Orcs and decided to use them against Azeroth.

[Dreknar20]

Resentful, yes, but it was the sentinels who were skinned alive and the Horde symbol painted on trees in their blood that caused the Night Elves to end the Horde's hunting and foresting rights in Ashenvale and put up trade blockades in the area, causing stress on the Horde's dwindling resources after Cataclysm.

No
It was actually the Wrath Gate that caused the Night Elves to shut down everything. The attacks in Ashenvele merely reinforced their decision

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It was honestly the catalyst that sparked Garrosh's push to open war. If that hadn't happened, he would not have had as much reason and support for open war to take what they wanted (and needed).

Garrosh longed for war against the Alliance within his first few weeks in Ogrimmar, the whole Night Elves and trade routes and Durotar becoming crappier merely added fuel to that desire

He longed for it when he learned the security and plentiful life for the Orcs was not as shiny and perfect as he thought

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It wasn't until later that Sargeras heard about the Orcs and decided to use them against Azeroth.

Likewise Big K's hunting of the Draenei was not really part of the Legions prime directive but more of a personnal vendetta
Since him and Velen were brothers, literally or figuretivly