Brothels - Yes or No?

[Tesclo]

you're assuming that those girls would have a choice to leave their pimp without consequences. Add that, you also make the assumption that a job would be available for them at said brothel. Add that, because it would be a legailized business, the cost of doing said business would also increase, and said increase would be passed on to the customer.

Also consider, you have $50, but the min price of admission is $100 at a brothel, the street girls are only $30. Granted, the money and costs will change, but it's still about supply and demand. Pimp can offer you a better deal because he's not required to regulate, sanitize, control, etc...

And sure, I agree, most people would be inclined to go to a safer place, but definitely money will also play a role in decisions as well.

I agree, street business wouldn't completely disappear, but if the goal here is to get these girls off the streets, reduce disease, violence and rape, then I see no reason why brothels would be a bad decision. You have to think, even if it only cut street trafficking in half, that's still a huge relief on law enforcement and these girls themselves. So if we're looking at this from the standpoint of helping to reduce the criminality of the business rather than trying to stamp it out all together, I see no other choice but to aid in the transition from illegal street trafficking to more secure, safe and tolerable establishments. But prostitution should never be legal on the streets, unless it's like the Nevada law where there aren't many people around, as we've seen whats it's done to the community.

[Deleted]

Yes it should be 100% legalized and unionized to give better and safer working conditions for the sex workers.

[Elim Garak]

Yes it should be 100% legalized and unionized to give better and safer working conditions for the sex workers.

tsk. tsk. tsk.

Intimate Experience Delivery Specialists.

[Cybran]

Any other professions we should denounce as "unacceptable"?

Having sex for money is far more detrimental to the human psyche than working in fast food. The abuse and post traumatic stress that comes after is severe. It causes depression and ruins the sense of self worth which often ends in substance abuse.

[TheBeardedOne]

So i went to a fairly new brothel in sydney(less than a year old), australia today. I will give you a run down of what it is like.
1-As you approach the building you are not aware of what it is illegal to advertise its presence, its just a number on a door, you also cannot see the door from the road.
2-On ringing the doorbell you are meet by the receptionist(a woman, this brothel is owned and run by women, the only males on the books are security).
3- i was then taken to a private meeting room and offered any refreshment i would like.
4-Next step was to meet the lady i would spend my time with and have a chat to make sure we clicked and we were on the same page about the service.
5-lady left and receptionist came back to make sure i would like to continue with my booking.
6-lady came back and took me to the room, where the first order of business is a mandatory visual health check of my parts.
7-next is handing over the payment, while the lady leaves the room to remove the money from it(so you cannot steal it), i had a shower to freshen up(this is mandatory)
8-lady returns, i finish shower.
9- use you imagination here
10- buzzer goes (you pay for the time) and have another shower to clean up
11-dress and leave room where meet by receptionist to see if i would like any bottled drink before i leave, or if i need a hire car or taxi
12-say goodbye to lady and be on my way

Now a few things to say about this, firstly this is a high end brothel starting at $400 an hour, all the ladies are drug free(and tested by the owners request or they cannot work). The lady i saw had a successful career outside her work here but she enjoyed it for meeting new people, the sex and the money(it also has perks like free flights, accommodation, gym membership, beauty products, new cloths allowance etc) and freedom it gave her. She wasn't some drugged up homeless girl like some of you seem to think, she was not desperate for money either.

The meeting between client and service provider at the start is not just for the man to see if she is hot, it is also for the service provider to see if she is comfortable with the client, they will say no.

Now sydney has it fare share of brothels(with one of the biggest in the world), and the they range from high class, like this one to illegal brothels. personally I do not visit and low class brothels because some of them tend to be shady and ought to be more regulated. This one on the other hand is run ethically and its first priority is to look after the girls that work there, if you show up drunk or on drugs they will not let you in doing drugs will result in instant cancellation of services.

Prostitution is like every other job in the world, you are using your body to complete a set of tasks for money.

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Voted no. Legalizing them sends a message that being a prostitute is ok and acceptable. I think its not, it's something disgusting most people are only willing to do if they feel like they have no other options, MAking it illegal doesn't make the problem go away but it still goes a long way to discourage such things.

So you like to force your personal beliefs on the rest of the world. Unless you have meet prostitutes, or used them you know nothing of what it is like.

[Deleted]

Absolutely. Selling sex is nothing more than the trade of service between two consenting adults, and I doubt there are other reasons to outlaw it than people's offended 'morals'.

Now, clearly there are issues to tackle in this world such as forced prostitution, human trafficking, etc. However, those are all a product of the given society's stance towards it. If it was universally legal to operate a brothel, provided you obey all legislation for employment, taxation and so forth, it'd give a much more transparent image of where the money is actually going.

[Gilian]

If they can control it so there is no human trafficing/people being forced to be a prostitute then why not. But it's not that simple I think so I can't really give an answer.

[Xarkan]

tsk. tsk. tsk.

Intimate Experience Delivery Specialists.

Intimate Hygiene Specialists.

[Deleted]

Definitely, i'd like to lose my virginity somewhere! I'm friggin 27 and there is no legal place to do it (without finding gf), i'm not ugly, fat or anything, so i say it's hard for introverts that spend work and play time behind computer to get laid, so hell yeah, i do want brothels!
Some street prostitute might have something, but certified brothel would definitely have some health standards!

[Gilian]

As has been said, everything would be regulated and investigated often enough to ensure proper working standards for the girls, along with safety measures, regular screening and support and other features that would help make it a safer industry.

Who is going to pay for that? The prostitutes probably. So I guess a lot of people would rather work illegally to earn some extra cash like in almost every other business. And there are always loopholes and people who abuse or find a way around all the regulation.

[Gilian]

I see it as something like selling your organs or letting someone perform harmful tests on you for money. These things need to be illegal because legalizing them would send a message that its ok and acceptable and if you dont have any other ways of making ends meet you should become a prostitute. Do you honestly believe anyone (I mean women, no idea about men) would dream about becoming a prostitute?

I wont deny that there will most likely always be demand for that horrible profession but I also believe that even though its impossible to completely root out the problem it should be made acceptable. It's kinda like drugs.. people will still use them even though theyre illegal but if you make them legal people who wouldnt otherwise be exposed to them will.

You think I dreamt about sitting behind a computer all day long? The majority does their work simply to pay the bills and at the moment there is not much choice anyway.
You are also expected to know what you want when you are 18-21 years old. I see so many people around me with very good education but are not using it at all for various reasons.

And I honestly think some people enjoy being in the sex industry (also women). Maybe they don't dream about being a prostitute/pornstar but some do enjoy it.

Cannabis is legal here. There are no real major problems. Only some drugtourists but I personally don't think it's such a big deal.
In my hometown they forced coffeeshops to close only because some kids who went there to buy cannabis were hanging around outside which wasn't an appriopate place to hand around and smoke weed. So it's not like there is no control over it.

[Knight Gil]

Selling sex is nothing more than the trade of service between two consenting adults

Wrong. Selling sex is often more than a simple trade or, as some self-assumed "champions of liberty" want to view it, as a matter of having the freedom to do what oneself wants with his/her body. Besides the fact that it would be very hard to find someone in decent socio-economical conditions to turn to prostitution, the whole human-rights issues associated with it won't really stop whether it is legalized or not.

If you give the girl money, then she has sex with you, that's a crime and it should be banned at all costs!
If you give the girl a drink (which you buy with money), then she has sex with you, that's ok.

I honestly don't understand why people still against prostitution...

Very naive view of how sexual attraction works, if you ask me. Directly selling sex is something people do, most of the time, for survival. Paying for a drink and then having the other person interested in you for casual sex is completely normal, and also harmless, because it doesn't imply that you're a girl in your early twenties desperate to get money for college or anyone else in any kind of degrading conditions.


Really, these people trying to push prostitution as the pinnacle of human freedom are kind of ridiculous

[Kuniku]

IMO prostitution is going to happen regardless of any laws. So it might as well be legalised to an extent so that it can be controlled to ensure everyone's safety. Set out the relavent laws for brothels, come down hard on anyone not following those laws and I don't see a problem with it. As long as the people working their are doing so because they want to - non of this trafficing malarkey or forced drug abuse etc!

[FluFF]

Legal in Amsterdam, The Netherlands and Antwerp, Belgium.

Though it's not a ''brothel'' by definition ( not 1 bunch of girls in 1 house offering drinks ) , each girl just has her own window where you can talk with her and negotiate terms and then it's up to a room rented by the girl in question ( most of them come with a shower / sink and 2 person bed )

Both places are quite a light spectacle if you go during night time. ( Neon Lights OP )
Women are what you expect ( 18-30, Mainly eastern European with a few % being Italian or Spanish ), think Amsterdam also has quite a few Dutch girls but been a while since I walked that place.

Make no illusion though, every girl there has a pimp and needs to cut profit.
A few I talked to actually said they like the money involved ( I know one girl gets up to 10 customers on peak days , which averages to 500 Euro's before ''paying up'' )

[Speaknoevil]

Legal selling of sex will lead to more exploitation, desperation, and entrapment then having it be illegal.

[Cybran]

Really, these people trying to push prostitution as the pinnacle of human freedom are kind of ridiculous

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I was disgusted by the blog of this "rights activist". She is against health checks and mandatory registrations. Instead of addressing the numerous issues caused by the legalization she only talks about "human rights".

[Tesclo]

Having sex for money is far more detrimental to the human psyche than working in fast food. The abuse and post traumatic stress that comes after is severe. It causes depression and ruins the sense of self worth which often ends in substance abuse.

Oh so now we care about these people when they're selling their body but as long as they're starving, freezing to death on the street, then they're just scum right? Seriously, this holier than thou attitude needs to stop. You have no idea what these people have been through sitting in front of your computer in your warm house or apartment. Who the hell are you to say what's good and what isn't for every living human being in America?

Seriously, and with all do respect, get off your high horse.

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Legal selling of sex will lead to more exploitation, desperation, and entrapment then having it be illegal.

You have obviously never been to a large city, downtown, or at a truck stop at 3 am. If you had, you would see the strung out garbage that walks the street on a nightly basis. But of course, since you don't see it, everything is peachy isn't it? Not all women can sit there and force men to pay child support like you.

[Stir]

I was disgusted by the blog of this "rights activist". She is against health checks and mandatory registrations. Instead of addressing the numerous issues caused by the legalization she only talks about "human rights".

From wikipedia:

The goals of these movements are diverse but generally aim to destigmatize sex work and ensure fair treatment before legal and cultural forces on a local and international level for all persons in the sex industry.[1]

Not every sex worker rights activist will be against the health checks and registrations. Personally, I think most will be on board with those. As for your denouncing of this particular one because she's not 'addressing the numerous issues caused by the legelization,' you must understand that those issues will be solved automatically if the subject of 'human rights' gets tackled. And yes, part of legalization is proper registration.

But sure; why don't you cherry pick. After all; Cybran does as Cybran please. Always cherry-picking to make people who don't agree with you look bad.

[anyaka21]

So i went to a fairly new brothel in sydney(less than a year old), australia today. I will give you a run down of what it is like.
1-As you approach the building you are not aware of what it is illegal to advertise its presence, its just a number on a door, you also cannot see the door from the road.
2-On ringing the doorbell you are meet by the receptionist(a woman, this brothel is owned and run by women, the only males on the books are security).
3- i was then taken to a private meeting room and offered any refreshment i would like.
4-Next step was to meet the lady i would spend my time with and have a chat to make sure we clicked and we were on the same page about the service.
5-lady left and receptionist came back to make sure i would like to continue with my booking.
6-lady came back and took me to the room, where the first order of business is a mandatory visual health check of my parts.
7-next is handing over the payment, while the lady leaves the room to remove the money from it(so you cannot steal it), i had a shower to freshen up(this is mandatory)
8-lady returns, i finish shower.
9- use you imagination here
10- buzzer goes (you pay for the time) and have another shower to clean up
11-dress and leave room where meet by receptionist to see if i would like any bottled drink before i leave, or if i need a hire car or taxi
12-say goodbye to lady and be on my way

Now a few things to say about this, firstly this is a high end brothel starting at $400 an hour, all the ladies are drug free(and tested by the owners request or they cannot work). The lady i saw had a successful career outside her work here but she enjoyed it for meeting new people, the sex and the money(it also has perks like free flights, accommodation, gym membership, beauty products, new cloths allowance etc) and freedom it gave her. She wasn't some drugged up homeless girl like some of you seem to think, she was not desperate for money either.

The meeting between client and service provider at the start is not just for the man to see if she is hot, it is also for the service provider to see if she is comfortable with the client, they will say no.

Now sydney has it fare share of brothels(with one of the biggest in the world), and the they range from high class, like this one to illegal brothels. personally I do not visit and low class brothels because some of them tend to be shady and ought to be more regulated. This one on the other hand is run ethically and its first priority is to look after the girls that work there, if you show up drunk or on drugs they will not let you in doing drugs will result in instant cancellation of services.

Prostitution is like every other job in the world, you are using your body to complete a set of tasks for money.

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So you like to force your personal beliefs on the rest of the world. Unless you have meet prostitutes, or used them you know nothing of what it is like.

Not trying to pick apart your experience here but I do have a few thoughts in regards to this

1) this is how a brothel in actually could/should/would run. And it's not cheap. $400 an hour is really very expensive. Most people looking to get laid or just blown don't want to spend that kind of money, thus, as you mentioned there is also illegal venues and as thus, I'd assume less sanitary, less health checks, etc.... Just because one brothel checks out to be good doesn't equate to all being clean and well run.
2) I lol'ed when you said the woman had a successful career outside of her work there. You realize she's a professional right? She gets paid to make your fantasy come true. Thus having a woman who pretends to want to have sex with you is more attractive as someone who doesn't need to be there to pay the bills. Not saying she doesn't have work outside of the brothel, just that it's unlikely. And that's not a bad thing, it just is what it is

[Powerogue]

Voted no. Legalizing them sends a message that being a prostitute is ok and acceptable. I think its not, it's something disgusting most people are only willing to do if they feel like they have no other options, MAking it illegal doesn't make the problem go away but it still goes a long way to discourage such things.

A lot of things are legal while still being discouraged by society. Getting drunk or smoking in public places come to mind.

Legal selling of sex will lead to more exploitation, desperation, and entrapment then having it be illegal.

We can't know that for sure. We thought banning alcohol entirely would lead people to drink less.