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  1. #141
    Quote Originally Posted by Talen View Post
    The problem is not it happening.

    The problem is it being retconned out and/or ignored simply because it isn't in the game.

    If it isn't shown, isn't referenced and everyone acts as if it never happened...did it actually really happen? It didn't with Varian. His "cure" lasted only until the next writer did a story about him.

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    you realize even if it's in game it can be subject to retcon don't you, the mini lore book actively STATING that sargeras was corrupted by the eredar is still in the inn at ratchet. if your concern is simply that if it isn't stated in game it won't be kept in the lore then that's a large portion of WoW's lore gone already.
    ...at this point it's almost guaranteed that "war in warcraft" is garrosh getting on his incompetent podium to declare yet another group his enemy for the crime of breathing his air, alliance saying this is horde favoritism, and the more....special....yes.. let's go with special... horde players seeing garrosh as a god because he lets them attack the alliance players who keep saying that out being led by a moron is horde favoritism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talen View Post
    You seem to feel this makes a difference.

    She needed troops. She got them and she played on the BElfs ties with and feelings for her to get what she wanted. She wanted vengeance and she was willing to see the BElfs destroyed to get it.
    That must be why Sylvanas breaks down and sings Lament of the Highborne in memorium of the fall of Quel'thalas after having her necklace returned to her.

    Quote Originally Posted by Talen View Post
    Or did you think she was bluffing when she threatened to withdraw her troops and leave the BElfs to face the Scourge. Sylvanas valued her vengeance more than she valued the people and land she died trying to protect.
    What makes you think it wasn't a bluff? Also, this happened years after her offering aid to Quel'thalas, when the kingdom had stabilized.
    Last edited by Aquamonkey; 2013-07-09 at 01:58 AM.

  3. #143
    Would make for a great capital city if they bring in High Elves as an Alliance Faction.

    What's the Lore?

    "Greetings High Elf rookie!"
    Last edited by IdTheDemon; 2013-07-09 at 01:59 AM.

  4. #144
    Quote Originally Posted by Talen View Post
    The problem is not it happening.

    The problem is it being retconned out and/or ignored simply because it isn't in the game.

    If it isn't shown, isn't referenced and everyone acts as if it never happened...did it actually really happen? It didn't with Varian. His "cure" lasted only until the next writer did a story about him.



    You seem to feel this makes a difference.

    She needed troops. She got them and she played on the BElfs ties with and feelings for her to get what she wanted. She wanted vengeance and she was willing to see the BElfs destroyed to get it.

    Or did you think she was bluffing when she threatened to withdraw her troops and leave the BElfs to face the Scourge. Sylvanas valued her vengeance more than she valued the people and land she died trying to protect.

    EJL
    Not sure what you're talking about with Varian being cured multiple times, but I really don't get your arguement. He was 'cured' of the split personality thing in the comics as I understand it, suffered from side effects of it in Wolfheart, where he started to get better and that threat carried onto his short story where he made amends with Anduin and it was fully put to rest. You're saying it doesn't make sense for the Alliance characters, lore wise, to work with Vol'jin because the Horde will just be stronger and united when this is over. I point out that the civil war will leave them WEAKER because both sides are ultimately horde deaths in that conflict, and you say 'oh it doesn't matter because blizz is just going to forget it happened and retcon it out?' You're basically saying this present story doesn't make sense because Blizzard is going to mess it up in the future. Even if you're right and blizz drops the ball, the lore characters don't know that. Non game stuff makes it into game lore all the time, such as characters like Krasus and Rhonin showing up.

    Even things in game can be retconned, like the whole forsaken fighting kirin tor in silverpine thing that's supposedly just an oversight from the quest developers, to the Onyxia chain being retconned in the WoW comic.
    Last edited by Florena; 2013-07-09 at 08:29 AM.

  5. #145
    Quote Originally Posted by Talen View Post
    Infiltrated? Yes - stupidly, out of character for them and with no reason given to do so but yes.
    Sabotaged? No.
    Its not terribly out of character for Night Elves, they are bunch of retards.

  6. #146
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    Quote Originally Posted by Florena View Post
    If anything tweets from blizz reps indicate the Horde will NOT be coming out of this civil war strong and united, and that they will have to give up conquored lands, even if it's not shown in game doesn't mean it doesn't happen in the story.
    Well the direct quote from Kosak during the April Q&A pretty much supports this.

    "This is something we struggle with, because after Cataclysm we seriously question the time-investment of re-doing old zones. Presumably, from a lore standpoint, the Horde is going to have to back down from areas on the edge of conquest (particularly Ashenvale.) But we don't want to re-do that zone - it's an important Horde level-up area."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scummer View Post
    Well the direct quote from Kosak during the April Q&A pretty much supports this.

    "This is something we struggle with, because after Cataclysm we seriously question the time-investment of re-doing old zones. Presumably, from a lore standpoint, the Horde is going to have to back down from areas on the edge of conquest (particularly Ashenvale.) But we don't want to re-do that zone - it's an important Horde level-up area."
    Doesn't the Alliance currently control Ashenvale? I'm wondering how they would begin to show the Horde backing down in-game since we don't have any zones being seriously contested. Horde won Andorhal, Southern Barrens and Azshara. Alliance control Ashenvale and Gilneas. I guess Stonetalon, maybe.

  8. #148
    Quote Originally Posted by Admiral Daelin Proudmoore View Post
    Doesn't the Alliance currently control Ashenvale? I'm wondering how they would begin to show the Horde backing down in-game since we don't have any zones being seriously contested. Horde won Andorhal, Southern Barrens and Azshara. Alliance control Ashenvale and Gilneas. I guess Stonetalon, maybe.
    Ashenvale is more or less split 50/50 right now, the zones the horde would relinquish would be most likely be all of Ashenvale, the forsaken presence in Arathi, Hinterlands and whatever is currently fighting at Gilneas, their small camps in Desolace, much of Stonetalon and maybe their settlements in Feralas.

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