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  1. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by Kagthul View Post
    http://wow.gamepedia.com/Soul_Link

    Incorrect. It was 50% for a large chunk of Vanilla (and, i mistakenly thought, until Patch 2.1) and then 30% for a great deal of time as well.
    It was 20% through all of TBC

  2. #82
    I remember on Patchwerk logs showed locks to be pretty middle of the pack, especially on first kills - due to not enough healer GCDs to get you heals for Life Tap. Weirdly enough my guild at the time had 4 locks on 1st Patchwerk kill and we did decently (all top 10-15). I do remember using a lot of consumables to be able to Life Tap without needing a healer, having calculated the time I could last. I do think I wanded a bit but got a hot from a druid in the end )

  3. #83
    SM/Ruin was usually the best, and at a time we'd run MD/DS (Master Demonologist/Demonic Sacrifice) where we'd sac a succubus, and then use the engineering thingy to rez it before it despawned, so we'd have both the MD and DS buffs active (+25% shadow damage).

    Playstyle was apply Curse of X (whatever the raid assigned you), apply dots and spam shadowbolt. You'd be usually running with an imp (unless you were being unique with MD/DS) for Blood Pact and generally having better survivability.

  4. #84
    I loved my lock in vanilla and the early part of TBC. In pvp we were gods. In pve we were awesome. I still miss the Sm/ruin spec.

  5. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by Khiyone View Post
    @Dhrizzle

    No, the 21/0/40 spec invested 21 points in Affliction for Shadow Mastery (increased shadow damage by 15%), and 40 points in Destruction (allowing you to get Ruin); there were no points invested in Demonology.
    Improved Shadow Bolt didn't increase shadow damage, it increased Shadow Bolt damage and put a debuff on the opponent that increased your critical strike chance by 5% on that particular target for 30 seconds. . . Did you play a warlock in TBC?

    It was easily the best DPS spec in the game (or, failing that, the best burst specialization). I've seen 13.5k Shadow Bolt criticals in a video.
    Please don't be rude to someone with remarks like "Did you play a warlock in TBC?" when you yourself are completely wrong.

    In TBC, Shadow Mastery requires 30 points in affliction. It's a 25-30 point talent that increase shadow damage by 3% per point, for 3/6/9/12/15%.
    Demonic Sacrifice is a 15% shadow increase if you sac your Succy, admittedly you lose the Succy's DPS but it's still a better investment.

    Also, Ruin is 30 points in Destro, not 40.

    Also, In TBC Improved Shadow Bolt is a 4/8/12/16/20% shadow damage increase for the next 4 non-periodic hits.

    So you were wrong, THREE times in a single post, yet talked so sure of yourself then rubbed it in by asking if they even played Warlock.

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    Warlocks are OK in Vanilla. They can do some pretty nice single target if you have at least 1 spriest maintaining Shadow Weaving. If you're allowed to use Corruption and you have Nightfall spec you can do some nice multi-dot proc farming. They're not amazing though, and later in the game do start to fall behind Warriors, Mages and Rogues. In PvP they're strong.

    In TBC they're single target BEASTS. Utterly disgusting single target. In PvP they're EVEN STRONGER.

  6. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by jackofwind View Post
    Warlocks actually outscaled Mages with Naxx gear in Vanilla...and when you can tap for mana it doesn't really matter what your costs are. Anyone who says locks weren't top-three competitive PvE DPS in Vanilla is just wrong.
    This is pure delusion lmao. Fire mages are god tier in naxx.

    You can literally go look at private server rankings to see the best dps specs:

    > https://legacyplayers.com/Raids/Ranking/Default.aspx

    It's not like warlocks were "bad" but they weren't actually on par with mages/warriors or even rogues overall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asil View Post
    This is pure delusion lmao. Fire mages are god tier in naxx.

    You can literally go look at private server rankings to see the best dps specs:

    > https://legacyplayers.com/Raids/Ranking/Default.aspx

    It's not like warlocks were "bad" but they weren't actually on par with mages/warriors or even rogues overall.
    Lol K3 parses, okay bud
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    Because fuck you, that's why.

  8. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by mmocb0245d6bcb View Post
    I didn't play in vanilla and only joined late in TBC with a paladin, and with the MoP revamp the class has undeniably changed away from the original class.

    so, how did warlocks work? I once heard a passing reference to the 0/31/30 playstyle being best, but what was that exactly? and were there alternatives that performed better or worse?
    in vanila locks they were mostly utility bots, you just needed a couple at most, the reason they only spammed shadow bolt was the debuff limit: the slots were saved for more essential debuffs, curse of shadow/elements was one of them

    in tbc the meta was a ridiculous spec that essentially grabbed all the talents that improved Shadow Bolt out of all 3 specs, in which shadow bolt gained improved casting time, raw damage, additional critical chand and critical dmg etc, additionally shadow priests (a debuff bot class) applied Shadow Weaving a debuff that increased shadow damage taken by the target (it had stacks and the priest was avoiding casting mind blast and the like in order for the much more powerful shadow bolt to benefit): the result was shadow bolt crits doing absurd amounts of damage (if i recall correctly ~9000 per crit which was insane back then) and locks being the top ranged DPS, heavily stacked which was further intensified by the fact that it was literally a 1 button rotaion that anyone could do

    ah, good ol times... /s

  9. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by jackofwind View Post
    Lol K3 parses, okay bud
    I actually played vanilla. The order those classes were in was exactly how it was in vanilla.

    Rogues, warriors, mages. And I played a warlock. Yeah - warlocks weren't trash, they did damage, but the fire mage kit was simply better.

    The idea warlocks somehow outscaled busted ass fire mages is just so absurd it borders on insanity.

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  11. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by Will View Post
    Please don't be rude to someone with remarks like "Did you play a warlock in TBC?" when you yourself are completely wrong.

    In TBC, Shadow Mastery requires 30 points in affliction. It's a 25-30 point talent that increase shadow damage by 3% per point, for 3/6/9/12/15%.
    Demonic Sacrifice is a 15% shadow increase if you sac your Succy, admittedly you lose the Succy's DPS but it's still a better investment.

    Also, Ruin is 30 points in Destro, not 40.

    Also, In TBC Improved Shadow Bolt is a 4/8/12/16/20% shadow damage increase for the next 4 non-periodic hits.

    So you were wrong, THREE times in a single post, yet talked so sure of yourself then rubbed it in by asking if they even played Warlock.

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    Warlocks are OK in Vanilla. They can do some pretty nice single target if you have at least 1 spriest maintaining Shadow Weaving. If you're allowed to use Corruption and you have Nightfall spec you can do some nice multi-dot proc farming. They're not amazing though, and later in the game do start to fall behind Warriors, Mages and Rogues. In PvP they're strong.

    In TBC they're single target BEASTS. Utterly disgusting single target. In PvP they're EVEN STRONGER.
    No its not. It's only 21 into the destro tree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowygoodness View Post
    You could only do that in TBC and top damage and ONLY around mid T5 and on, because you just didn't have the hit rating to support it before then. It was definitely funny to top charts with one button, though. Same was true about warlock aoe.

    AoE time?
    SoC
    SoC
    SoC
    SoC
    SoC
    SoC

    Topped charts.
    Yeah that was great until they super-buffed volley for hunters later into TBC lol.
    Last edited by xuros; 2019-12-03 at 07:22 PM.

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