Id say prety weak, nothing like the LK or Illidan. Id say he is Prince powerful.
People also should note that saying "well guy A beat guy B, and guy B beat guy C, so guy A is better than guy C" isn't always true.
Tirion might have beat the Lich King, but he wouldn't be able to beat the Thunder King.
WoWpedia specifies that only Sargeras, Kil'jaeden, and Archimonde could have matched her in terms of power back when she was still a night elf, now that she's been empowered by an old god... I'm pretty sure she's shot ahead of Kil'jaeden and Archimonde. Doubt she could go toe to toe with Sargeras though. I just don't see the Lich King as being on par with Kil'jaeden even when the Lich King was at his strongest.
OT: I think Lei Shen is probably on par with LK in terms of personal power, however LK's empire is at the height of its power while Lei Shen is in the process of trying to rebuild his shattered empire. We've essentially caught one with their pants down (Lei Shen) while when we fought the Lich King we were lured into a trap. At least that's what I understood.
I think physically he was stronger than the LK but overall the LK was stronger
Let me explain: The LK's best feature is using the slain against his enemies....a veritable unlimited army. He also 'used to be' very cunning...His biggest enemy was himself (if he just unleashed all of his armies he would have conquered azeroth, but he didn't). Yes the TK could also build armies, but he used a machine for that, not his own power and those are limited to the amchine's capabilities...the LK could raise dragons, humanoids and even build new monstrosities.
But in a 1to1 combat I think the TK would win.
Now as the LK was probably not as powerful as Kill'Jaeden (KJ) and KJ was Sargeras's right hand where Archimonde (AR) was his left (source needed)
I am thinking that KJ was more powerful than the TK but that AR was weaker than the TK.
Sure AR required thousands of wisps to defeat him, but in WOTA we read that Azshara was more powerful than Mannoroth and around the same level as AR.
I seriously doubt Azshara was so powerful back then so that would mean that AR also isn't all that he looked like he was.
(ofc, Azshara has since been gifted by Old Gods to be a Naga and most likely received a power boost....also Ozumat was her minion and ozumat managed to kidnap the Water Elemental lord...so likely she is more powerful than the LK, AR and KJ...I think she can only be trumped by a fully empowered Old God and Sargeras ATM)
Then there is Illidan...who hmmmm isn't anything special....sure he had the skull of gul'dan...but there was nothing special about his fight....Akama (normal), nameless band of heroes (normal) and Maiev (normal) so...Illidan got killed b a bunch of normals making (at least the LK was defeated by the Light/Ashbringer + Thousands of released souls)
So I'd say this is the power scale (least powerful left, most powerful right):
critters----- Hogger--named npc-----------(WoW players)---lore character----------Varian/Garrosh----------Tirion(/w Ashbringer)/Thrall-Malfurion/Illidan--Velen------AR-------TK-LK--KJ----Azshara(Naga)-----Sargeras--------------------------me
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WoW characters that need/deserve to get killed/punished/otherwise removed from the story: Tirion(dead now), Thrall, Malfurion, Sylvanas(soon?), Jaina, Tyrande
Well, when we fight Arthas, he kills us all after toying with us to see how strong we are. When we fight Lei Shen, we kill him without any outside help during the encounter. I mean, he even gets all desperate and angry at the last phase when he realizes he's being beaten.
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I'd say Raegwyn/minelol being capable of solo'ing LK means that in terms of the player, we have grown far far in strength from that original battle. Sure, those are both above and beyond what typical players are capable of, it still provides a meaningful outlet in terms of how far players have come in terms of power.
Both are lvl?? (Boss) which means that they are lvl 4 for a lvl 1 player, therefore Hogger as lvl11 mob is stronger.
The machine was merely running on a low level, Lei Shen could have used this Titan machine to build awesome stuff but i'm not sure if he could make himself more powerful with that.
I'd say he is on par with the Lich King. Our characters are stronger now then they were back then. (No, I'm not talking about increased levels and XP)
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Didn't the Lich King just toy around with us for awhile while he had Tirion on ice........and then kill us all to resurrect us as his army?!!!!!!!! He then just wasn't paying attention and Tirion got out and ended it.
We took down the Thunder King (in the fight) without any help from any major npc's.
Lei Shen is so powerful, he didn't need to find playboy bunnies.. he made them.
buit still, he prpbably meets on a power level of that between cho'gall and the lich king.
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If you actually look at the game mechanics behind his fight as well to further see his true power.
We had to use his own Titan machinery against him to divert the vast majority of his electrical energy. If for some reason he stopped being close to the draining pylons his passive energy discharges would decimate the entire army arrayed against him in seconds.
He is definately powerful on the scale of LK if not more, and I think if it had come to a war between the two, Lei Shen would have steamrolled Arthas, both armies considered.
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Azshara is empowered by N'zoth the same as Deathwing. Deathwing was pretty much up there with Kil'jaeden and Archimonde (what with causing the Shattering with just his emergence). The Lich King pales in comparison to all of them considering he was the pawn of Kil'jaeden.
Thunder King is probably just as powerful as the Lich King but more evil (yes, I said more evil) because he was willing to use his armies to reconquer and subjugate all of Pandaria while the Lich King was, for all intents and purposes, ensuring that the Scourge didn't annihilate the entirety of Azeroth
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