Not sure if I agree with this.
So many players don't have access or friends to raid 10 normal.
This would just induce rage amongst more casual end-game players imo
And why do you think normal pugs are dying out?
It's easier to just queue up in lfr and get even better gear (than the previous patch normal gear)
Plus, Flex raiding is coming so if this was implemented it would actually benefit the game cause you get people out of lfr.
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Compared to LFR bashing, those topics are next to nothing.
Last edited by Chaosturn; 2013-07-15 at 04:11 PM.
"There is a pervasive myth that making content hard will induce players to rise to the occasion. We find the opposite. " -- Ghostcrawler
"The bit about hardcore players not always caring about the long term interests of the game is spot on." -- Ghostcrawler
"Do you want a game with no casuals so about 500 players?"
Regular raiders don't need to do lfr. The difference in loot is minimal, and without his small boos in gear they will still need to learn the fight on normal, and gear means nothing when your raid can't deal with wipe mechanics in a bossfight.
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People just need to grow up. I don't like to do lfr, so I don't do it often. maybe with some friends if they have an alt that needs gear faster, or for legendary quest items. If I don't feel like it I just won't do it, and I'm not gonna make 5M topics about how I hate it so it must go. I go with the gear I got from raiding the previous tier and maybe some stuff I bought with valor points, and it's more than enough. And if these "hardcore" raiders and casuals can't manage to stay out of shit or interrupt important spells then LFR is EXACTLY what they need.
LFR taints nothing. Any half decent raider clears it much before all the wings are unlocked.
And this is coming from someone who, by all means and measures, would be considered a semi-casual (as I only play to raid due to my work schedule, 'cept for weekends).
"There is a pervasive myth that making content hard will induce players to rise to the occasion. We find the opposite. " -- Ghostcrawler
"The bit about hardcore players not always caring about the long term interests of the game is spot on." -- Ghostcrawler
"Do you want a game with no casuals so about 500 players?"
"There is a pervasive myth that making content hard will induce players to rise to the occasion. We find the opposite. " -- Ghostcrawler
"The bit about hardcore players not always caring about the long term interests of the game is spot on." -- Ghostcrawler
"Do you want a game with no casuals so about 500 players?"
A person who is so obsessed with efficency that s/he feels compelled to do LFR for a miniscule advantage and is still only doing normal modes is doing something very, very wrong. The question is if those individuals compulsion should be considered more important then the feelings of 2 million or so LFR users who will very much become second grade citizens (even more so then they are already considered) if you make that change.
I disagree. I think you do have a problem with LFR. If you did not, you would not make a post to be asking for change, and using words like welfare gear, tainted experience. Before LFR, raiders were required to watch TankSpot or any of the guides to prepared themselves for the any new boss encounters. So the idea of experiencing a boss with no prior knowledge does not really apply. In many cases, LFR does not always prepare the raider for anything in the Normal mode or higher since many of the fights just becomes a zerg fest.
It's not even 100. And prolly less counting multiple accounts.
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Then you better go and find another game. Oh wait... everyone who forgot the LFD in their MMO implemented one in a hurry. Wonder why
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They're not doing it because it means catering to a tiny whining minority whining "BUT I HAS TO GET UPGRADEZ IN LFR LIEK ZOMG???".
Don't like it, don't do it, as simple as that. Especially with Flex in 5.4.
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This means catering to a bunch of whiners. Screw that. The problem is today's raiding community's attitude, not LFR.
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Why do Normal raiders think they're so special and worthwhile to have the game changed for them? It sounds more like they lack self-control and seem to think they're obligated to do Normal modes in addition to LFR when they are not. If the guild they are in pushes you to do both and you don't want to, tell them no or just find another guild. WoW is about entertainment; it shouldn't ever feel like a second job.